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US deaths in Iraq plunge to wartime low in October

BAGHDAD (AP) - U.S. deaths in Iraq fell in October to their lowest monthly level of the war, matching the record low of 13 fatalities suffered in July. Iraqi deaths fell to their lowest monthly levels of the year. Eight of the 13 Americans died in combat, most of them in northern Iraq where al-Qaida and other Sunni insurgent groups remain active. The U.S. military suffered 25 deaths in September and 23 in August.

In Afghanistan, meanwhile, 15 U.S. military deaths were reported for October. The monthly toll in that combat theater had been in the 20s since June, when 28 Americans were killed - the worst one-month total since that war began in late 2001.

The sharp drop in American fatalities in Iraq reflects the overall security improvements across the country following the Sunni revolt against al-Qaida and the rout suffered by Shiite extremists in fighting last spring in Basra and Baghdad.

But the decline also points to a shift in tactics by extremist groups, which U.S. commanders say are now focusing their attacks on Iraqi soldiers and police that are doing much of the fighting...

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Very good.

It is a concern that tactics have switched to Iraqi forces and also civilians who support US troops but it is always good to see a reduction in violence.

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of course, there is a simple way to reduce US casualties to zero....

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of course, there is a simple way to reduce US casualties to zero....
And a shame we did not do it in 2003 [or earlier].

There would be a lot more happy families come this holiday season instead of a bunch of empty chairs.

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Very good.

It is a concern that tactics have switched to Iraqi forces and also civilians who support US troops but it is always good to see a reduction in violence.
Not to mention a U.S. victory! But I'm sure that's what you meant to say!!

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Not to mention a U.S. victory! But I'm sure that's what you meant to say!!
No, there is no "victory". Sorry. The best we have to hope for is a really well planned withdrawal that allows the Iraqi people to maintain a modicum of stability.

I have been in war and had the opportunity to study war from some of the best and most experienced folks in the US Military. I fully understand what "victory" means. I know what "defeat" means. Iraq is neither. It is in that big gray area of "draw". nobody won, nobody lost [well, except for half a million Iraqi people and the families of all the American and Coalition troops who were killed or wounded].

Since we had a fully undefined mission, without an endgame, the very concept of "victory" is impossible. Only a rationalization of which degree of "draw" will allow folks to walk away with their heads held high. And I don't mean the troops, I mean the leadership. The troops did EVERYTHING asked of them. They can hold their heads up with honor. They did their jobs. Their leaders did not.

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No, there is no "victory". Sorry. The best we have to hope for is a really well planned withdrawal that allows the Iraqi people to maintain a modicum of stability.

I have been in war and had the opportunity to study war from some of the best and most experienced folks in the US Military. I fully understand what "victory" means. I know what "defeat" means. Iraq is neither. It is in that big gray area of "draw". nobody won, nobody lost [well, except for half a million Iraqi people and the families of all the American and Coalition troops who were killed or wounded].

Since we had a fully undefined mission, without an endgame, the very concept of "victory" is impossible. Only a rationalization of which degree of "draw" will allow folks to walk away with their heads held high. And I don't mean the troops, I mean the leadership. The troops did EVERYTHING asked of them. They can hold their heads up with honor. They did their jobs. Their leaders did not.
Try to peddle that BearShit to our victorious men and women U.S. armed forces. I'd love to see just how long you would last in their midst w/ that leftwing crap!

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But we have already succeeded!

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Try to peddle that BearShit to our victorious men and women U.S. armed forces. I'd love to see just how long you would last in their midst w/ that leftwing crap!
I believe you will find most agree. It is only the politicians that are trying to find "victory" in this.

And my conversations have included dozens of folks, from Lance Corporal to Lt. General. All have either been on the ground in Iraq or at McDill AFB or Ft Meade. In other words, a diverse group of folks who know that my leftwing crap has THEIR best interests in mind and most of whom have been friends and peers since they [or we] were commissioned.

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