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BCF's whilst simple, do not appear to be able to do simple.

Perhaps it comes from the volumes of methane inhaled while cleaning toilets on oil rigs?



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See Definition of Rationalisation:

Whatever McCain is doing seems to be working. The liberal nut sacks are coming unglued!
That should work.

So exactly "what" seems to be working?


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TNTRower and Monstermog, let's settle this real quick: Do you believe that Obama is a Muslim? No long answers or additional bullshit, a simple yes or no will suffice.
I don't think he is a muslim. So No.

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Originally Posted by QBNCGAR View Post
.....One builds consensus by implicitly recusing themselves from having an opinion.....
Not when one is leading. One builds consensus by understanding what needs to be done and gaining consensus by giving appropriate responsibility and authority to those who can handle it, and, if they are leaders in their sphere's of influence, they bring their sphere with them.

The kind of consensus reached that does not advance a specific need to reach a specific decision that was the specific reason people gathered together, while more common today, is not, as you noted, leadership. It is a waste of time and effort, which is a hallmark of poor leadership.

All to often today the steps that need to be taken, and there are usually many, in a specific sequence if the job is even vaguely challenging and involves more than two people, are studied and dissected individually and in isolation by people who have never practiced them, so they fill pages of books on topics like leadership. There is a whole sequence involved in bringing people who could be inspired to hate each other, together, to cooperate on a task that is a big challenge. One of those steps is figuring out what each person does well, and then giving them tasks like that, along with the mundane, pain in the ass tasks that everyone must share, so they succeed. Obama does this very well, and it is part of the process of getting people with potentially disparate views on a subject to agree to work together - if I hate your ass but you are good at what you do, I am more inclined to get along with you than if you suck and always fuck things up, even if you are trying really earnestly.

Consensus used to represent this meeting of the minds to get something specific done, in a specific way. Apparently that is no longer the connotation, since reaching consensus not to get the job done is now viewed as successful. Because some behavioral study asshole has told people consensus is the goal. Not getting the job done. Oh well. Getting old. Jim
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TNTRower and Monstermog, let's settle this real quick: Do you believe that Obama is a Muslim? No long answers or additional bullshit, a simple yes or no will suffice.

I do, that is why I voted for him, have I been deceived, is he The Deceiver.............
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