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Obama and Ayers NEVER admitted that they were close friends. NO one that knew both of them admitted that they were close friends. Did they work together on an educational board: yes! Does that make Obama a terrorist? Hell NO. You're trying to milk a donkey's dick with this friendship bullshit that is all.
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Would you endorse a book for someone who was not your friend? For no money?
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I have no opinion of it because I do not know very much about Keating's and McCain's relationship. I will say that I would give the relationship a lot less wait in my opinion of McCain because I have a lot more information about how McCain will behave in a given situation. Again, I say, Obama's associations are weighted much more to show what he believes in. People of like minds seek each other out and engage in similar pursuits. When I see people associate with people who have views that are anti capitalist I will make the conclusion that the same person has anti-capitalist feelings. When I hear what the person has to say only further reinforces the original conclusion then I tend to think "Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a duck."

I don't see that as being such a problem.

Why does everyone here have such a problem with Obama's association with Ayers? If you all like Ayers so much why aren't you all saying "So what? Ayers is a good man and has the right ideas."
So tell us, did they teach you the "keeping your head in the sand" technique whilst in the Marines or did you pick that up in your quest to become a Grand Poobah of NeoConservatism?

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Ok Bear. I will take the high ground and say that more then likely John McCain and several other individuals were pressured into unethical actions by Keating. And will go even further and say that is more then likely that is not the only incident. I will go as far as to say that a majority of politician's in office have committed criminal acts abusing the office they were elected to. In Milwaukee we just locked several of them up. I will also say that Bombing federal buildings in this country and using political strings for financial benefit are not even in the same league. A lot of people cheat on their taxes, how many of them shoot the tax collector?

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See it with your own eyes: Obama's book blurb for Ayers

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Ok Bear. I will take the high ground and say that more then likely John McCain and several other individuals were pressured into unethical actions by Keating. And will go even further and say that is more then likely that is not the only incident. I will go as far as to say that a majority of politician's in office have committed criminal acts abusing the office they were elected to. In Milwaukee we just locked several of them up. I will also say that Bombing federal buildings in this country and using political strings for financial benefit are not even in the same league. A lot of people cheat on their taxes, how many of them shoot the tax collector?
Than why in the hell do you defend John? On the other hand Obama did not commit those terrorist acts so why in the hell are you associating him to them? Just because he served on a board with someone who did does not make him a terrorist. Do you think I should ask all the board members of two boards that I serve in to submit their personal and all of their life history before I do business with them? Maybe a polygraph while we are at it eh?
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Why does everyone here have such a problem with Obama's association with Ayers? If you all like Ayers so much why aren't you all saying "So what? Ayers is a good man and has the right ideas."
"We all", and I assume that I can speak for at least 40% of this board on this question don't consider Ayers a good man, nor a bad man. Simply a very complex person who has, like many people good and bad elements to his history. The GOOD he has contributed to society over the last 30 years weighs heavily in an overall determination of his character. So do the rebellious years of the Sixties.

Since you were not born in those times, you are fully unaware of the context of his life, passion and what drove him to the acts that he committed [and the many more acts that folks try to attribute to him]. That context would be beneficial in looking at the whole man.

Much the same with McCain and Keating. What was their relationship? THAT is very important as it resulted in a long and arduous ethics investigation from the Senate ruined the career of four of the five Senators involved. Only McCain, who had dealings with Keating and whose wife was a development partner with Keating managed to not get as damaged as the rest.

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Ahhh yes, the scared white man. Hmmm...do you know the race of the woman I married? The race of my mother or father? Do you know if I was adopted?

So now we are back to the same old liberal routine of cast aspersions, call names, and throw the race card into situations.

Still doesn't change the fact that Obama has a decidedly Socialist Agenda that will wreak even more havoc with the economy.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

Are you against the routine of casting aspersions or for it? I sense a conflict.

And please, Jesus learn what Socialism really is.

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Ha, wild goose chase again! So what if I praise someone doing good things? Should I refrain from doing that until I take into account what they have done twenty years prior to that moment? Besides why is Ayers not in jail then? Don't you think that he can never be a productive and contributing member of society anymore? Let's get real here, even if Ayers WAS a terrorist does that make him a terrorist NOW? Is there no room for reform? What does that mean for anyone who committed a crime? Don't bother to join society! is that it?
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