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I haven't secured my modem, which serves several laptops throughout the house. Please put the fear of gawd in me so I get off my lazy ass and encrypt this infernal thing...
Well, I can come by your house, park on the street, log on, go to kiddy porn sites, down load a bunch of stuff for hours a night. When the traps snag the IP address they will tap on YOUR door.

Or log on, keep trying to log into .mil sites with a little bot that tries different password combinations for a few nights. The FBI will be nice when they visit, see that the incursion did not come from the machines that you TOLD them you had and then start looking for the OTHER machine.

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Well, with a couple of neat little utilities freely downloadable, I can listen to every packet that travels between your laptops and your access point using only what I have for a wireless access card, or worst-case, a high-gain antenna made from a BNC connector and a Pringles can. Even if you use WEP, I can break the keys in a couple of minutes by just listening to traffic - you never even know I'm there, and I don't have to be using your internet connection. I will then parse through the packet captures and look for interesting things in the decodes, like HTTP "POST" commands and other goodies, and figure out passwords you enter to places which are unsecured - like BWOT - because chances are you use the same ID and password at more than one location. I'll also know everyplace you visit, even if you do go to SSL-enabled sites, which saves me lots of time figuring out where you bank, shop, where your kid goes to school, what kind of porn you like, etc.

If I'm really sick, I'll get on your access point as another node - you probably won't notice - and bypass that nifty firewall feature on your modem or "router", and infect your systems with malware that captures keystrokes and other neat information from the places we know applications like Quicken saves them, and forwards it to me on-demand. You'll never even know it was there, and the next thing you know, one month you'll get gigantic bills from your credit card companies and your bank balance will be zero, and maybe your kid won't come out of school one day.

Don't broadcast your SSID. Use WPA2 and a strong, complicated key with lots of alphanumeric characters. That will at least make someone really work hard to get YOUR info, versus your idiot neighbors who haven't done jack shit, because that's too much effort relative to an unprotected WAP.
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...internet access in someone else's neighborhood earlier. There were 7 access points available, 4 were secured. I figured the one which said "linksys" was probably a safe bet, and it was.

All I did with it was look up stocks, read Marketwatch, and come here.

Does that make me a bad person?
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That's a very kind way of looking at it.
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I run a company off of other peoples generosity. We have laptops in all of the vans and we can send and receive faxes, email, porn, etc... The apartment thing works every time. And FYI a semi talented computer guy can actually log onto your computer and get information. I had used one of my customers wireless while I was working there and when I went back to work my laptop was still logged on. He rearranged my desktop for me through his computer. Then he informed me on how to protect my computer better.

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I do it all the time. FWIW 6 times out of 10 the password on larger secured connections is "admin" because the administrator who set up the network used it as default and Joe the plumber never changed it.

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Well, with a couple of neat little utilities freely downloadable, I can listen to every packet that travels between your laptops and your access point using only what I have for a wireless access card, or worst-case, a high-gain antenna made from a BNC connector and a Pringles can. Even if you use WEP, I can break the keys in a couple of minutes by just listening to traffic - you never even know I'm there, and I don't have to be using your internet connection. I will then parse through the packet captures and look for interesting things in the decodes, like HTTP "POST" commands and other goodies, and figure out passwords you enter to places which are unsecured - like BWOT - because chances are you use the same ID and password at more than one location. I'll also know everyplace you visit, even if you do go to SSL-enabled sites, which saves me lots of time figuring out where you bank, shop, where your kid goes to school, what kind of porn you like, etc.

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Don't broadcast your SSID. Use WPA2 and a strong, complicated key with lots of alphanumeric characters. That will at least make someone really work hard to get YOUR info, versus your idiot neighbors who haven't done jack shit, because that's too much effort relative to an unprotected WAP.
This is exactly why I wont go wireless. Call me old-fashioned or a technophobe, but this is one of the few ways I know I can secure my computer.

Ass, gas or grass....nobody surfs for free.
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This is exactly why I wont go wireless. Call me old-fashioned or a technophobe, but this is one of the few ways I know I can secure my computer.

Ass, gas or grass....nobody surfs for free.

I have 2 different ISP's in the house each hooked up on a router for access anywhere on our small plot here. But i don't think anyone in my neighborhood is qualified to look up my sarong.........
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I have 2 different ISP's in the house each hooked up on a router for access anywhere on our small plot here. But i don't think anyone in my neighborhood is qualified to look up my sarong.........
So what other member are you here?
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