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post #51 of 69 (permalink) Old 10-22-2008, 01:04 PM
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I've moved not.


Actually, that's not true.


I've definitely seen sides of issues to which I was previously unexposed. I'm embarrassed at the ignorance revealed by my prior posts.

In all honestly, I think what has NOT changed is my basic principle of fairness and justice. Lots of the positions I used to claim as "conservative" were really Republican, or possibly anti-Liberal. They were useful only for the purposes of argumentation - little more than that. As the Republican party has moved further into uncharted territory, like some genetic mutant, so too it appears I have moved.

What appears outwardly as a shift from "red" to "blue" is in reality the result of education. With the information I had at the time, I felt my positions were defensible, and more importantly, genuine. I'm no hypocrite. In light of details which had been foreign or invisible before, what I used to perceive as right and fair are no longer so.

Some of what you read is a game. Arguing for argument's sake. Trolling, or at least trolling disguised as sarcasm.

So I haven't moved, haven't changed. But I have become more informed, and maybe I face a different direction than before. It's been a fun ride.

And it's all your fault. And Bear's, kinda. And FTL to a certain extent. Convincing and persuasive, you lot...


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No, I acknowledge that information affects my thinking. The source is only relevant if it's exclusive or singular in nature - those can be safely dismissed. When the source is merely pointing out information that can be considered as fact by any newsperson/executive/politician, that person's individual persuasion becomes irrelevant.



Say a lot to validate the statement that you are no hypocrite, and that you have the integrity and honesty you claimed concerning your perceptions of your own values. While we still disagree on several issues, the fact that you have made your basic principles clear makes it that much more worthwhile to take the time to try to understand your perspective on those issues on which we still disagree.

On the other hand, a guy like Jaybaugh would sooner turn inside out and die than acknowledge more information gave him a chance to make a better assessment. Which makes Jaybaugh's opinion on nearly anything unworthy of any effort to comprehend - in fact it makes it clear Jaybaugh has no set of his own principles that guide his thought process.

So, not to get too gushy, but I think that QBNCGR can articulate the process by which his outlook on some issues has changed, and then defend the new outlook on those issues is uniquely deserving of respect. It also adds, as I noted, good reason to look at his outlook on other issues where we differ that have not changed, and there are several of them. My hat is off to you, QBN. Jim
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YOU chose to live in a "socialist" state and complain like an old woman.
Move if you do not like it.
Ignore his whining. He either needs a better accountant or isn't really running a business. That property tax billl is likely mostly deducted from his business income because it is for rare, and valuable cars he has, as well as a place to house and maintain and show them, as part of a business. He is just a wealthy motherfucker bragging about his raw tax bill. Like the guys who complain about being in a 35% or higher tax bracket. They actually pay less than 16%, but won't reveal that when they whine about their taxes. All the while enjoying owning trinkets the business pays for and deducts. Big fucking scam. "Socialist" my ass. I don't know what all you think the founding fathers had in mind, but I don't think it was a wealthy class without the "royalty" moniker served by a drastically less well off class that looks, sounds and smells like "peasant class" but for politically correct reasons is not called the peasant class - no, it is called "middle class" since that sounds like something better without really defining the differences. Don't let anyone fool you. We "middle class" guys pay for the wealthy but not "royals" only in name, just like the peasants always did even if they don't call us peasants anymore. Jim
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You could try U.S. citizenship next - it's still not too late, you have until January
Hehe...well the way things are looking we might wanna consider pooling our assets and buying an Island (filled with naked women, of course)!

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Hehe...well the way things are looking we might wanna consider pooling our assets and buying an Island (filled with naked women, of course)!

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^How about with all black ass from the country next to South Africa, liquidate shinybeef's toy, @$1 per ass. really dirt cheap.

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you don't like black ass? Dude you should try it, it will heal whatever ails you.
Maybe you are into this for all I know

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I heard that is the source of aids started when your picture start to mate with some wild animal. But with out proof, all of that may be the white blame it back to the black.

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I heard that is the source of aids started when your picture start to mate with some wild animal. But with out proof, all of that may be the white blame it back to the black.
Do you want to mate with those fine fellas?
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Just do not tell my wife what I want. I rather go back to Mongolia.

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Just do not tell my wife what I want. I rather go back to Mongolia.
You. Are one weird motherfucker, man.
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