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It's a Catch 22, isn't it? As long as the debt remains and continues to grow, our currency isn't given any sense of respect or value. Is there some magic number somewhere in the future of rising debt that will serve as a slap in the face and give our lawmakers and the Fed pause, and steer them back toward a path of financial responsibility? If it hasn't happened already, it probably never will...

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^ Step one IMO, is an earnest effort to buy back/pay off the national debt. We're years away at best, don't you think?


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Without that effort, money has no real value (screw it, just print some more). Without a sense of value, no economy can succeed.
That effectively pays off the national debt by turning all the debt held by our hapless allies into worthless paper.
Neat trick, isn't it ?
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^ Exactly, and we're left with the same kind of runaway inflation that has effectively destroyed the middle class in many nations around the globe already. Welcome to the third world.

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It's a Catch 22, isn't it? As long as the debt remains and continues to grow, our currency isn't given any sense of respect or value. Is there some magic number somewhere in the future of rising debt that will serve as a slap in the face and give our lawmakers and the Fed pause, and steer them back toward a path of financial responsibility? If it hasn't happened already, it probably never will...
I am betting $10T did it.

The fact that we doubled in the past eight years was very sobering to lots of people. It is why, even when you hear about "new programs" you hear it chocked full of caveats regarding slicing into the current programs to reduce costs. I think reality says that we are at a point where a $3T budget is the TOP END of realistic and we should not grow beyond that and that everything done should be beneath that umbrella, including debt reduction.

I just get that sense from reading different things and the couple of talks with Chandler. There is no zeal to Spend, Baby, Spend.

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^ Exactly, and we're left with the same kind of runaway inflation that has effectively destroyed the middle class in many nations around the globe already. Welcome to the third world.
On the contrary, the middle class of the world has benefited from massive liquidity generated by the deficit.
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I am betting $10T did it.

The fact that we doubled in the past eight years was very sobering to lots of people. It is why, even when you hear about "new programs" you hear it chocked full of caveats regarding slicing into the current programs to reduce costs. I think reality says that we are at a point where a $3T budget is the TOP END of realistic and we should not grow beyond that and that everything done should be beneath that umbrella, including debt reduction.

I just get that sense from reading different things and the couple of talks with Chandler. There is no zeal to Spend, Baby, Spend.
That's just another meaningless number unless the size of the GDP is taken into account. The GDP is inflated at the same time along with the deficit.
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That's just another meaningless number unless the size of the GDP is taken into account. The GDP is inflated at the same time along with the deficit.
Well, The current GDP is $14.2T to put the DEBT in perspective.

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On the contrary, the middle class of the world has benefited from massive liquidity generated by the deficit.
Erm, I'm talking about our middle class.

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^ Exactly, and we're left with the same kind of runaway inflation that has effectively destroyed the middle class in many nations around the globe already. Welcome to the third world.
How would I know ?
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