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post #81 of 162 (permalink) Old 10-16-2008, 01:13 PM
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Anyone see this photo yet? It's from the end of the debate when MCain starts to exit the wrong way and realizes his mistake. I feel sorry for MCain, he is a good man and great American, but this is the kind of gaffe that has legs of it's own. Very revealing...

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Damn this guy has a sexy ass, looks just like Sarah's.............
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What a f*cking idiot.
Wurzelbacher , are we still in the 19th century ?

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To add to Joe's shining moment:

If you are going to use a person as a object lesson on National TV, it REALLY behooves you to VET that person thoroughly.

Somehow the concept of Vetting and the McCain Campaign seems to not intersect often.

'Joe the plumber' isn’t licensed
Local man focus of presidential debate

Joe Wurzelbacher views the debate from his Springfield Township home.


"Joe the Plumber" isn’t a plumber — at least not a licensed one, or a registered one.

A check of state and local licensing agencies in Ohio and Michigan shows no plumbing licenses under Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher’s name, or even misspellings of his name.

Last night, his name, "Joe the Plumber," came up about two dozen times in the debate between Mr. Obama and Republican nominee John McCain.

Since last night Mr. Wurzelbacher who lives alone with his 13-year-old son has been besieged with local and national news media, willingly granting interviews.

Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday morning that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills.

According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work.

He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was hired by Mr. Newell six years ago and that the possibility of him eventually buying the company was discussed during his job interview.

He said it’s his understanding he can work under Mr. Newell’s license as long as the licensed contractor works on the same site.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he is working on taking the Ohio plumbing contractors’ license test.

Mr. Wulzerbacher’s notoriety has raised the ire of Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who claimed that Mr. Wulzerbacher didn’t undergo any apprenticeship training.

"When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it’s a little disreputable to start with," Mr. Joseph said. "We’re the real Joe the Plumber."

Mr. Joseph said Mr. Wulzerbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country.

"This individual has got no schooling, no licenses, he’s never been to a training program, union or non-union, in the United States of America," Mr. Joseph said.

The association has endorsed Barack Obama, according to Mr. Joseph.

Questions were raised Thursday morning whether Mr. Wurzelbacher is a registered voter.

Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4 of this year, registering as a Republican.

Ms. Howe said that the name may be misspelled in the database.

Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, acknowledged during an interview at his home late Thursday morning that he knows he’s "a flash in the pan," after his fame spread for an impromptu debate he had in front of his Springfield Township home with Mr. Obama last Sunday.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he objects to Mr. Obama’s plans to raise income taxes on incomes above $250,000. He said he makes no where near that much money but he would not say how much he makes or if he ever expects to make $250,000. Court records from a divorce show Mr. Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006.

He said, "Is it right to take someone’s money because they work a little harder? It’s taking away from someone’s hard work."

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he disagrees with the idea of people being taxed at a higher rate because they earn more.

"They’re going to take more of your money because you’ve been more successful," he said.

In December, 2007, the Ohio Department of Taxation placed a lien against him because $1,183 in personal property taxes had not been paid, but there has been no action in the case since it was filed.

Mr. Wurzelbacher was playing football in his front yard with his son, Joey, on Sunday afternoon when Mr. Obama made an unscheduled stop to go door to door greeting voters and asking for their support.

In his conversation with Mr. Wurzelbacher, Mr. Obama tried to justify his plan tax breaks to 95 percent of Americans and raise taxes on incomes above $250,000.

Mr. Obama said his plan would improve the economy for other people trying to get a start in small business, and "spread the wealth."

The phrase was quickly picked up by conservative bloggers and commentators saying it reveals a desire to redistributed wealth on the part of Mr. Obama.

During that same conversation, Mr. Wurzelbacher advocated a flat tax to Mr. Obama under which everyone would pay the same rate of tax which was a feature of Mike Huckabee’s unsuccessful campaign for the Republican nomination this year.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was surprised by the spread the wealth phrase.

"That’s a pretty socialist comment. Two-fifty ($250,000) is his number now. When is it going to be one fifty ($150,000), when it’s going to be one hundred ($100,000)?"

He continued: "If you believe him, I would be receiving his tax cut," adding that he would not want the tax cut.

He won’t say who he will vote for on Nov. 4, but did say he likes Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

He said he was born in the Toledo area, lived until he was 13 in the Florida Panhandle area, went to Springfield High School, and then entered the U.S. Air Force. He was stationed at an Air Force base in Alaska from 1992 until 1995. He said he was honorably discharged.

Mr. Wurzelbacher also said he lived in Arizona from 1997 until 2000.

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C'mon GermanStar, I consent that poorly administrated social programs are doomed to immenent failure. However the program in question could eaily be revitalized and wouldn't obe in it's current state if not for 20 years of neo-cons chipping away at it 'cause they want to keep poor minorities in the ghetto so they can look all the richer.
Put down those those misfounded Yoda syllogisms before you shoot your eye out!
Really? Which political party has the most to gain from keeping the poor in the ghettos? The party that CREATED social programs or the party that wants to wean people OFF social programs? If social programs worked in their present state, we wouldn't have as many people on them as we do.

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I think he wants to toss his salad.

Mercedes Benz, enough said.
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Get a lawn sign? Anti-McCain view expressed with dog poop
By PAUL WALSH, Star Tribune

Just when you thought partisan politics couldn't smell any worse.

A 45-year-old Minnesotan who admits to hating Republican presidential candidate John McCain said he left small bags of dog feces in the back of a pickup truck sporting McCain-Sarah Palin stickers, police said today.

David Vanderlinden told police that he left his political contributions in his neighbor's the truck because "he hates McCain," police said.

He was caught after the truck owner's mother called police after seeing Vanderlinden placing the bags in the truck.

Vanderlinden's next contribution will be to the public coffers in the form of a $183 fine for littering/unlawful dumping.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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I missed the debate, but McCain must have done very well...


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Utter bullshit, eh? Since when did you and the rest of your socialist crowd gain the right to decide WHO to take the money from in order to redistribute that wealth to those who didn't earn it? Socialism, pure and simple. Take from the haves and give to the have nots. Punish success and reward failure.
I'm glad someone said it.

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Utter bullshit, eh? Since when did you and the rest of your socialist crowd gain the right to decide WHO to take the money from in order to redistribute that wealth to those who didn't earn it? Socialism, pure and simple. Take from the haves and give to the have nots. Punish success and reward failure.
Well, yes, it is utter bullshit. He even notes in mcbear's cut and paste article with some quotes from the turkey's mouth, that he wouldn't "accept" Obama's tax cut that is due him since he is really a working schmuck who makes less that $100k per year and by his own account is likely to never buy the plumbing business. It was a made up story. Which is why it fit the bill for McCain so well.

So, if we want a decent place to live, you have to pay taxes. It is just plain unbridled greed and selfishness that leads someone to bitch about making so much money that, under Obama's tax plan, they will lose a $700,000.00 tax cut from Bush. And uncontrolled stupidity for those who make less than $250,000.00 per family to side with them.

So, it is utter bullshit that came out of the mouth of Joe the fucking unqualified and uncertified Plumber.

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