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To add to Joe's shining moment:

If you are going to use a person as a object lesson on National TV, it REALLY behooves you to VET that person thoroughly.

Somehow the concept of Vetting and the McCain Campaign seems to not intersect often.


'Joe the plumber' isn’t licensed
Local man focus of presidential debate

Joe Wurzelbacher views the debate from his Springfield Township home.

By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY
BLADE STAFF WRITERS

"Joe the Plumber" isn’t a plumber — at least not a licensed one, or a registered one.

A check of state and local licensing agencies in Ohio and Michigan shows no plumbing licenses under Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher’s name, or even misspellings of his name.

Last night, his name, "Joe the Plumber," came up about two dozen times in the debate between Mr. Obama and Republican nominee John McCain.

Since last night Mr. Wurzelbacher who lives alone with his 13-year-old son has been besieged with local and national news media, willingly granting interviews.

Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday morning that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills.

According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work.

He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was hired by Mr. Newell six years ago and that the possibility of him eventually buying the company was discussed during his job interview.

He said it’s his understanding he can work under Mr. Newell’s license as long as the licensed contractor works on the same site.

Mr. Wurzelbacher said he is working on taking the Ohio plumbing contractors’ license test.

Mr. Wulzerbacher’s notoriety has raised the ire of Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who claimed that Mr. Wulzerbacher didn’t undergo any apprenticeship training.

"When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it’s a little disreputable to start with," Mr. Joseph said. "We’re the real Joe the Plumber."

Mr. Joseph said Mr. Wulzerbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country.

"This individual has got no schooling, no licenses, he’s never been to a training program, union or non-union, in the United States of America," Mr. Joseph said.

The association has endorsed Barack Obama, according to Mr. Joseph.

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So he's not a plumber because "This individual has got no schooling, no licenses"? Im in construction and there are plenty of "plumbers" that don't individually have a license. And trust me, there are as many union "hacks" as there are "unlicensed and untrained" non-union plumbers. Being a union worker means jack shit when it comes to the quality of work that is produced. Hiring union workers should mean you're getting a better product, but it doesn't. Finally, if this guy has been doing plumbing work for the same company for 6 plus years, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that he must be an "OK" plumber to have kept his job this long?
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Finally, if this guy has been doing plumbing work for the same company for 6 plus years, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that he must be an "OK" plumber to have kept his job this long?
Shrub's been on the job for eight years--so, do you still want to advance that line of argument?
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Shrub's been on the job for eight years--so, do you still want to advance that line of argument?
But, shrub's not a plumber . . .

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Shrub's been on the job for eight years--so, do you still want to advance that line of argument?
Yes. Do you think for a second the jobs are even remotely similar?
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Ummm, the original point was that the guy's been employed for x number of years, so he must be competent. Similarly, Shrub has been employed for 8 years and was re-(s)elected, so he must be competent, which is obviously not the case...capiche?

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I am absolutely shocked. The results of the Drudge poll is in and it appears the Drudgers came down to McCain 72% Obama 27%.

Who knew?
Damn, I was off by two points...
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But, shrub's not a plumber . . .
And neither apparently is Joe. After listening to his tale of woe and then finding out the real situation he appears to be a paid hack. You know, one of those guys who is still employed because he has particularly well developed and practices ass hole tonguing skills. I would agree the man is doing something right to stay employed, I just don't think it is anything having to do with what falls out of assholes after it falls out. Jim
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Which is most important, the success of the individual or the success of the country?
So you'd support socialism for the good of all? That's the premise used to try and sell it.

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And neither apparently is Joe. After listening to his tale of woe and then finding out the real situation he appears to be a paid hack. You know, one of those guys who is still employed because he has particularly well developed and practices ass hole tonguing skills. I would agree the man is doing something right to stay employed, I just don't think it is anything having to do with what falls out of assholes after it falls out. Jim
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