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Who is John McCain

I think the change we see in McCain is really because he has new advisers. Take a look at this list:

List of John McCain presidential campaign staff members, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Well, how about this, from one of Botnst's favorite guys?


Vote for Obama

McCain lacks the character and temperament to be president. And Palin is simply a disgrace.

By Christopher Hitchens

Posted Monday, Oct. 13, 2008, at 10:44 AM ET


I used to nod wisely when people said: "Let's discuss issues rather than personalities." It seemed so obvious that in politics an issue was an issue and a personality was a personality, and that the more one could separate the two, the more serious one was. After all, in a debate on serious issues, any mention of the opponent's personality would be ad hominem at best and at worst would stoop as low as ad feminam.

At my old English boarding school, we had a sporting saying that one should "tackle the ball and not the man." I carried on echoing this sort of unexamined nonsense for quite some time—in fact, until the New Hampshire primary of 1992, when it hit me very forcibly that the "personality" of one of the candidates was itself an "issue." In later years, I had little cause to revise my view that Bill Clinton's abysmal character was such as to be a "game changer" in itself, at least as important as his claim to be a "new Democrat." To summarize what little I learned from all this: A candidate may well change his or her position on, say, universal health care or Bosnia. But he or she cannot change the fact—if it happens to be a fact—that he or she is a pathological liar, or a dimwit, or a proud ignoramus. And even in the short run, this must and will tell.

On "the issues" in these closing weeks, there really isn't a very sharp or highly noticeable distinction to be made between the two nominees, and their "debates" have been cramped and boring affairs as a result. But the difference in character and temperament has become plainer by the day, and there is no decent way of avoiding the fact. Last week's so-called town-hall event showed Sen. John McCain to be someone suffering from an increasingly obvious and embarrassing deficit, both cognitive and physical. And the only public events that have so far featured his absurd choice of running mate have shown her to be a deceiving and unscrupulous woman utterly unversed in any of the needful political discourses but easily trained to utter preposterous lies and to appeal to the basest element of her audience. McCain occasionally remembers to stress matters like honor and to disown innuendoes and slanders, but this only makes him look both more senile and more cynical, since it cannot (can it?) be other than his wish and design that he has engaged a deputy who does the innuendoes and slanders for him.

I suppose it could be said, as Michael Gerson has alleged, that the Obama campaign's choice of the word erratic to describe McCain is also an insinuation. But really, it's only a euphemism. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear had to feel sorry for the old lion on his last outing and wish that he could be taken somewhere soothing and restful before the night was out. The train-wreck sentences, the whistlings in the pipes, the alarming and bewildered handhold phrases—"My friends"—to get him through the next 10 seconds. I haven't felt such pity for anyone since the late Adm. James Stockdale humiliated himself as Ross Perot's running mate. And I am sorry to have to say it, but Stockdale had also distinguished himself in America's most disastrous and shameful war, and it didn't qualify him then and it doesn't qualify McCain now.

The most insulting thing that a politician can do is to compel you to ask yourself: "What does he take me for?" Precisely this question is provoked by the selection of Gov. Sarah Palin. I wrote not long ago that it was not right to condescend to her just because of her provincial roots or her piety, let alone her slight flirtatiousness, but really her conduct since then has been a national disgrace. It turns out that none of her early claims to political courage was founded in fact, and it further turns out that some of the untested rumors about her—her vindictiveness in local quarrels, her bizarre religious and political affiliations—were very well-founded, indeed. Moreover, given the nasty and lowly task of stirring up the whack-job fringe of the party's right wing and of recycling patent falsehoods about Obama's position on Afghanistan, she has drawn upon the only talent that she apparently possesses.

It therefore seems to me that the Republican Party has invited not just defeat but discredit this year, and that both its nominees for the highest offices in the land should be decisively repudiated, along with any senators, congressmen, and governors who endorse them.

I used to call myself a single-issue voter on the essential question of defending civilization against its terrorist enemies and their totalitarian protectors, and on that "issue" I hope I can continue to expose and oppose any ambiguity. Obama is greatly overrated in my opinion, but the Obama-Biden ticket is not a capitulationist one, even if it does accept the support of the surrender faction, and it does show some signs of being able and willing to profit from experience. With McCain, the "experience" is subject to sharply diminishing returns, as is the rest of him, and with Palin the very word itself is a sick joke. One only wishes that the election could be over now and a proper and dignified verdict rendered, so as to spare democracy and civility the degradation to which they look like being subjected in the remaining days of a low, dishonest campaign.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Heh heh heh, surrender faction...botnst, eat yer heart out
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I think it is funny that people call fundamentalist Christian's bizzare. Don't they know they are just quoting the Bible.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
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Here's a thread for you:

How to explain fundamentalisms??

It's a long thread/read, but worth it if you want to gain some insights.

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Here's a thread for you:

How to explain fundamentalisms??

It's a long thread/read, but worth it if you want to gain some insights.
Ah, now I see the problem. Some people have a very skewed idea of fundamentalism and they also have very limited insight into the Bible. There are so many wrong statements in that thread I nearly fell over laughing.
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Is that right? The fellow who started the thread is a Philosophy professor with a PhD in Theology, and was born/raised in an evangelical household. He has probably forgotten more about fundamentalisms and dare I say the bible itself, than you will ever know. And he is not the only learned contributor to that thread. Dismiss it/them at your own risk.

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Is that right? The fellow who started the thread is a Philosophy professor with a PhD in Theology, and was born/raised in an evangelical household. He has probably forgotten more about fundamentalisms and dare I say the bible itself, than you will ever know. And he is not the only learned contributor to that thread. Dismiss it/them at your own risk.
A PhD in theology means very little when it comes to Christ and the fundamentals of following him. He may have been raised in an evangelical household but it appears he failed to grasp the peace that passes all understanding.

People who adhere to particular doctrines, denominations, preacher's are not fundamentalists. Fundamentalists adhere to the Bible. If you follow the Bible's teachings word for word then there isn't currently a denomination you can belong to that I have found.

As for forgetting more about the Bible than I will ever know, that is a sad state to be in. Knowing the Bible involves a great deal more than just reading and studying the words on the pages. The word IS God and thus you can only truly know the word if you personally know God.
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A PhD in theology means very little when it comes to Christ and the fundamentals of following him. He may have been raised in an evangelical household but it appears he failed to grasp the peace that passes all understanding.

People who adhere to particular doctrines, denominations, preacher's are not fundamentalists. Fundamentalists adhere to the Bible. If you follow the Bible's teachings word for word then there isn't currently a denomination you can belong to that I have found.

As for forgetting more about the Bible than I will ever know, that is a sad state to be in. Knowing the Bible involves a great deal more than just reading and studying the words on the pages. The word IS God and thus you can only truly know the word if you personally know God.

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