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"Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years"



It turns out that Katie's Restaurant closed down fifteen years ago. Talk radio host Curtis Sliwa of WABC dug this information up (audio here). He also got puzzled reactions from Wilmington Home Depots asking if anyone had ever sighted Biden. Think any mainstream reporter will follow up and ask him which Home Depot he frequents? Think any journalist will go to that Home Depot to confirm?

Joe Biden's 1988 presidential campaign shut down due to revelations of egregious plagiarism. He was discovered to have plagiarized in law school. He commits gaffes on a daily basis.

Biden succeeded in the debate by covering up who he really is.
Palin succeeded in the debate by conveying who she really is.


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Biden succeeded in the debate by covering up who he really is.
Palin succeeded in the debate by conveying who she really is.

A regional success that has no experience in foreign policy or the economy and dodges questions for which she is clueless. Hence the many dodges last Thursday evening.

While Biden's anecdotal references were questioned, I notice there was very little real questioning of his experience or his facts.

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A regional success that has no experience in foreign policy or the economy and dodges questions for which she is clueless. Hence the many dodges last Thursday evening.

While Biden's anecdotal references were questioned, I notice there was very little real questioning of his experience or his facts.
The Lies Biden Told-

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Posted: 4:34 am
October 4, 2008

For all the focus on Sarah Palin's graceful performance in Thursday's vice presidential showdown, a more significant spectacle was taking place behind the other rostrum.

That's where Joe Biden, speaking with the pompus self-importance befitting his 36 years in the Senate, told one baffling fib after another.

Some, of course, were just Biden being Biden. He smeared Dick Cheney as "the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history."

To which we must take specific offense: After all, the founder of this newspaper, Alexander Hamilton, was killed in a duel by then-Vice President Aaron Burr. (Certainly Burr was a better shot than Cheney.)

But that's a matter of opinion.

Not so, some other Biden gems:

* It's "simply not true" that Barack Obama said he'd meet Iran's president without preconditions, Biden insisted.

Yet when Obama was asked if he would in a debate during the primaries, he said yes - a position Biden back then termed "naive."

* Biden said he's "always supported" clean-coal technology - after stating emphatically only last month, "We're not supporting clean coal."

* Biden asserted - repeatedly - that the US spends more money on three weeks' combat in Iraq than it's spent in Afghanistan since the war began.

That claim's only remotely intelligible if he limits Afghan expenditures merely to US rebuilding efforts - and even then, he's off by a factor of three, according to State Department numbers.

* Also on Afghanistan, Biden insisted - repeatedly - that "our commanding general in Afghanistan said the surge principle in Iraq will not work" there.

That may not be an out-and-out lie, but it took supposed foreign-policy neophyte Sarah Palin to bring any context or nuance to the statement.

What Gen. David McKiernan had said was that tribal realities in Afghanistan are very different than in Iraq - requiring a different form of cooperation.

But he flatly said more troops, and more local engagement, are needed.

Sounds like a surge to us.

* Then there was what might have been the biggest head-scratcher of the night. Said Biden of the Bush administration's supposed Middle East follies:

"When . . . along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."

Huh?

Assuming that Biden was referring to when, in 2005, American and French pressure helped the Lebanese people kick Syrian troops out of Lebanon, who ever thought NATO occupation of that deeply divided country was a good idea?

As if America's NATO allies would have gone in the first place.

But hey, as long as it makes Biden sound presidential.

At some point, Americans have to wonder: Is this a fellow who should be a heartbeat away from the White House?
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Wow, PC uncovers another useless factoid that he thinks the future of The Republic hangs on. But what I really want to know is, after claiming he would veto ALL EARMARKS, why did John McCain vote for a bill that contained ONE HUNDRED BILLION IN EARMARKS INCLUDING MILLIONS FOR WOODEN ARROWS. Some how your factoid about Katy's Resturant seems small in comparision.

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That's where Joe Biden, speaking with the pompus self-importance befitting his 36 years in the Senate, told one baffling fib after another.

* It's "simply not true" that Barack Obama said he'd meet Iran's president without preconditions, Biden insisted.

Yet when Obama was asked if he would in a debate during the primaries, he said yes - a position Biden back then termed "naive."

* Biden said he's "always supported" clean-coal technology - after stating emphatically only last month, "We're not supporting clean coal."

* Biden asserted - repeatedly - that the US spends more money on three weeks' combat in Iraq than it's spent in Afghanistan since the war began.

That claim's only remotely intelligible if he limits Afghan expenditures merely to US rebuilding efforts - and even then, he's off by a factor of three, according to State Department numbers.

* Also on Afghanistan, Biden insisted - repeatedly - that "our commanding general in Afghanistan said the surge principle in Iraq will not work" there.

That may not be an out-and-out lie, but it took supposed foreign-policy neophyte Sarah Palin to bring any context or nuance to the statement.

What Gen. David McKiernan had said was that tribal realities in Afghanistan are very different than in Iraq - requiring a different form of cooperation.

But he flatly said more troops, and more local engagement, are needed.

Sounds like a surge to us.

* Then there was what might have been the biggest head-scratcher of the night. Said Biden of the Bush administration's supposed Middle East follies:

"When . . . along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."

Huh?

Assuming that Biden was referring to when, in 2005, American and French pressure helped the Lebanese people kick Syrian troops out of Lebanon, who ever thought NATO occupation of that deeply divided country was a good idea?

As if America's NATO allies would have gone in the first place.
The only issue with actual PROOF is the Iraqi/Afghan expenditures. And since we are not on the Foreign Relations Committee to hear all of what goes on there, even that one might be hard to prove.

The Preconditions is nuanced word play. The Clean Coal comment was regarding China [read the whole transcript] and the Afghan Surge point is a bit interesting. Biden would have heard the testimony directly from the General earlier that day while Palin was going on third party hearsay about what the General said, meant.

So, where exactly is this list of LIES? If this is all you have, you are in deep trouble.

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"the surge" strategy was supposedly a temporary inrush of troops. The commander in Afghanistan doesn't want a "surge", he wants a permanent increase in troop strength, something that should have happened years ago and that is EXACTLY what Biden is saying, but instead, fools like PC followed Bush blindly into Iraq instead. Obama doesn't want a "surge", he wants to fight a real war in Afghanistan instead of the coward's war in Iraq. PC, well, he likes word-twisting bullshit, not facts.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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"the surge" strategy was supposedly a temporary inrush of troops. The commander in Afghanistan doesn't want a "surge", he wants a permanent increase in troop strength, something that should have happened years ago and that is EXACTLY what Biden is saying, but instead, fools like PC followed Bush blindly into Iraq instead. Obama doesn't want a "surge", he wants to fight a real war in Afghanistan instead of the coward's war in Iraq. PC, well, he likes word-twisting bullshit, not facts.
Another cheerleader of the Fighting Obfuscaters.

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"the surge" strategy was supposedly a temporary inrush of troops. The commander in Afghanistan doesn't want a "surge", he wants a permanent increase in troop strength, something that should have happened years ago and that is EXACTLY what Biden is saying, but instead, fools like PC followed Bush blindly into Iraq instead. Obama doesn't want a "surge", he wants to fight a real war in Afghanistan instead of the coward's war in Iraq. PC, well, he likes word-twisting bullshit, not facts.
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Bob Woodward says that according to GW Bush, the surge had nothing whatsoever to do with the sharp curtailment of violence in Iraq. Instead, it was the result of a distinct strategy that is classified.

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Yes, it's called "Death Squads". They have been targeting Baathists, not Al Queda, this war has always been about murdering the Iraqi Left, not Far Right Islamists, and it was the Iraqi Left that was putting up the fight. We have been murdering anyone who was or might be part of the Iraqi Left. It is the same strategy we used in Central America.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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