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Mr. Williams might want to get his facts tidied up before committing them to paper. Life expectancy, which has been moving up for the past Century is now considered to be at or past zenith according to the New England Journal of Medicine. The combination of obesity and poor health care for a high percentage of Americans has caused projections to show a decline in the near term and through the 21st Century.

Of course what would we expect from an article that only looks at one element of the problem. Let's just blame it ALL on government. Allow that Free Market to take a pass on blame [and a nice fat check, too].

Ed, please, post something that at least TRIES to be objective on the subject. This looks like a J post.
I am quite certain that Mr. Williams also favors personal responsibility, which would account for the obesity thing and, likely, much of the zenith you are referring to. And objectivity is for the open minded.

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I am quite certain that Mr. Williams also favors personal responsibility, which would account for the obesity thing and, likely, much of the zenith you are referring to. And objectivity is for the open minded.
He might believe that but he needs to write better if he wishes to convey the message.

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Most of today's economic problems, whether it's energy, health care costs, financial problems, budget deficits or national debt, are caused by policies pursued by the White House and Congress.
I see little objectivity, corporate responsibility or personal responsibility in that.

But then again, this pretty much sums up Williams' Supply Side Objectivity.
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Mr. Williams might want to get his facts tidied up before committing them to paper. Life expectancy, which has been moving up for the past Century is now considered to be at or past zenith according to the New England Journal of Medicine. The combination of obesity and poor health care for a high percentage of Americans has caused projections to show a decline in the near term and through the 21st Century.

Of course what would we expect from an article that only looks at one element of the problem. Let's just blame it ALL on government. Allow that Free Market to take a pass on blame [and a nice fat check, too].

Ed, please, post something that at least TRIES to be objective on the subject. This looks like a J post.
DR. Williams got is exactly right! I am afraid it is MR. bear that got it wrong, as usual...

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Why would you send flowers, that have been cut and killed to a funeral? Does the irony of that not concern folks?

And really, isn't it the dull man who tries to fit the quotes of others into a thread instead of creating his own?
Wow... More gobbledygook from the kook...

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I did. I detest the freight train of socialism that is barreling towards us without a party or candidate who recognizes it and would move to stop it.
In a strange way, so am I.

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DR. Williams got is exactly right! I am afraid it is MR. bear that got it wrong, as usual...
He did get it RIGHT, problem is, in defending the Economic Doctrine of the RIGHT, he misses the big point. That is the problem. He is a classic Supply Sider. And right now they are wailing in the wind as they are 0-3 with Reagan, Bush1 and Bush1.1.

But then again I guess he would lose his cherry Kudlow and Rush fill-ins if he had a moderate or simply academic philosophy of Economics. Gotta tow the party line to keep those extra gigs going.

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Wow... More gobbledygook from the kook...
Thanks for the object lesson. For a moment I had forgotten.

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as far as health care costs go..
The AMA is responsible for a form of price fixing.
The insurance companies go along with it by having a pitiful "reasonable & customary" system.
Besides the high premiums and non-existent appeals on costs.
If you add in the money making Diagnostic business..
that is to say.. Diagnostics are owned by doctors.. ok?
Why cure a disease? You can make money diagnosing and treating it.

SO, how do we collectively 'fix' a price for each service?
Neither party's platform has the answer.
Deregulation isn't.
National heath care isn't.

My suggestion is to go with a system that rewards patients for positive health practices.
We have to get costs of services down.
Why do some doctors charge $2000. and some charge $1000. for the same service?
How can it be that some 'participating' doctors accept $30. and others don't?
It's a big mess.
A major portion of the cost to health care, including inpatient hospital stays.. is uninsured patients!!!
If we could:
1) insure ALL our citizens.
2)control the wild swings in charges.
we'd have a much greater chance of getting a handle on what it actually should cost to use the system.
I live in a real urban city.
Poor folk use ambulances, go to the E.R. for primary care!
Please! Do you know what that costs us?
things have got to change
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He did get it RIGHT, problem is, in defending the Economic Doctrine of the RIGHT, he misses the big point. That is the problem. He is a classic Supply Sider. And right now they are wailing in the wind as they are 0-3 with Reagan, Bush1 and Bush1.1.

But then again I guess he would lose his cherry Kudlow and Rush fill-ins if he had a moderate or simply academic philosophy of Economics. Gotta tow the party line to keep those extra gigs going.
Classic supply sider, citing Reagan and the Bushes? Methinks the man is talking about actually reducing government/spending, here, Bear.

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He did get it RIGHT, problem is, in defending the Economic Doctrine of the RIGHT, he misses the big point. That is the problem. He is a classic Supply Sider. And right now they are wailing in the wind as they are 0-3 with Reagan, Bush1 and Bush1.1.

But then again I guess he would lose his cherry Kudlow and Rush fill-ins if he had a moderate or simply academic philosophy of Economics. Gotta tow the party line to keep those extra gigs going.
I know Walter, and his standing in the community of economists worldwide is very high. He ranks up there w/ the likes of Milton Friedman and Arthur Laffer in the opinion of most credible economists. I wonder how many would recognize your name bear?

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