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Obama's Poll numbers moving outside of the margin of error

Gallup spread is now 5%, one point outside of Gallup's +/- margin of error, reflecting a lot of other polls. Bad news for McMoreOfTheSame:

Gallup Daily: Obama Leads McCain by 5 Points

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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These are the Fort Worth Star Telegram poll results of last nights debates. Bear in mind Texas is a conservative state and Tarrant County is the most conservative county in the state.

Sen. Joe Biden (D) 6488
74%
Gov. Sarah Palin (R) 1982
23%
There are no winners 245
3%
Total Votes: 8715

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An assertion I routinely make is that the modern right wing is all about roping in suckers. I think Palin did her best Carnie Barker routine, and all the suckers will holler real loud she's The One, it reminded me of Bush when he was their object of worship, and I found the thought nauseating - another incompetent boob being given credit by chumps for more brain power than is actually there. Thinking people, on the other hand, will see right thru the performance: she offered nothing new, claiming she was a "reformer" yet offering nothing in the way of reforms, but most disturbing was her endorsement of Cheneyism, the idea that the VP is somehow some extra-constitutional office, which in reality means an unaccountable power-vacuum sucking VP who acts for an incompetent president, leading to the secret shadow government we've had eight disgusting years of. Between that and the non-answers, she simply did not score outside of her own RWNJ base, and new suckers are getting impossible for the RWNJs to find.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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So you want taxes higher!!! So you want an extreme Muslim/Christian in your corner!!!

I'd rather have a safe country, a person who has proven to reign in govt. spending, and rely more on the people of this country to fix problems than the Democrats saying...""Look to us will solve all your problems""

McCain has a proven track record...Obama Doesn't even come close/non existent!

McCain is tough on security and defense....Obama no record

McCain voted for our troops....Obama raises the white flag and gets all slick with his tongue and a teleprompt.

McCain is for our troops/war veteran....Obama has in every way with his mouth and votes used our troops for political talking points on the backs of a war making it difficult for advances in the theatre....He should be ashamed of this and hanged for high treason!
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An assertion I routinely make is that the modern right wing is all about roping in suckers. I think Palin did her best Carnie Barker routine, and all the suckers will holler real loud she's The One, it reminded me of Bush when he was their object of worship, and I found the thought nauseating - another incompetent boob being given credit by chumps for more brain power than is actually there. Thinking people, on the other hand, will see right thru the performance: she offered nothing new, claiming she was a "reformer" yet offering nothing in the way of reforms, but most disturbing was her endorsement of Cheneyism, the idea that the VP is somehow some extra-constitutional office, which in reality means an unaccountable power-vacuum sucking VP who acts for an incompetent president, leading to the secret shadow government we've had eight disgusting years of. Between that and the non-answers, she simply did not score outside of her own RWNJ base, and new suckers are getting impossible for the RWNJs to find.
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I'd rather have a safe country, a person who has proven to reign in govt. spending, and rely more on the people of this country to fix problems than the Democrats saying...""Look to us will solve all your problems""

McCain has a proven track record...Obama Doesn't even come close/non existent!

McCain is tough on security and defense....Obama no record

McCain voted for our troops....Obama raises the white flag and gets all slick with his tongue and a teleprompt.

McCain is for our troops/war veteran....Obama has in every way with his mouth and votes used our troops for political talking points on the backs of a war making it difficult for advances in the theatre....He should be ashamed of this and hanged for high treason!
Ah, a rationalist.

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Hanged? Please tell us the treasonable act. I've got one for you: how about the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis in a war based on bullshit and lies? Your fucking Fuerher should be hanged, and his bootlick McCain deserves his looming failure because he supported that war crime and cheered for our pig fucking act of mass murder on innocent woman children. There's lot's of Republicans who need to be hanged, but I can't think of one reason why Obama should be. Perhaps you can name them, if the mouth foam hasn't shorted your keyboard.

And yes, higher taxes will be needed to pay for the free ride the rich have gotten off of tax cuts financed with borrowed money - but don't worry, it's going to come off of their ass, and your "Muslim/Christian" bigotry, gives us a fucking break.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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I'd rather have a safe country, a person who has proven to reign in govt. spending, and rely more on the people of this country to fix problems than the Democrats saying...""Look to us will solve all your problems""

McCain has a proven track record...Obama Doesn't even come close/non existent!

McCain is tough on security and defense....Obama no record

McCain voted for our troops....Obama raises the white flag and gets all slick with his tongue and a teleprompt.

McCain is for our troops/war veteran....Obama has in every way with his mouth and votes used our troops for political talking points on the backs of a war making it difficult for advances in the theatre....He should be ashamed of this and hanged for high treason!
So much for Cascadia being the last bastion of intelligence.

Here's my translation of this guy's schtick:

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Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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An assertion I routinely make is that the modern right wing is all about roping in suckers. I think Palin did her best Carnie Barker routine, and all the suckers will holler real loud she's The One, it reminded me of Bush when he was their object of worship, and I found the thought nauseating - another incompetent boob being given credit by chumps for more brain power than is actually there. Thinking people, on the other hand, will see right thru the performance: she offered nothing new, claiming she was a "reformer" yet offering nothing in the way of reforms, but most disturbing was her endorsement of Cheneyism, the idea that the VP is somehow some extra-constitutional office, which in reality means an unaccountable power-vacuum sucking VP who acts for an incompetent president, leading to the secret shadow government we've had eight disgusting years of. Between that and the non-answers, she simply did not score outside of her own RWNJ base, and new suckers are getting impossible for the RWNJs to find.
The sergeant at arms is responsible for maintaining order, but nobody would say he is part of the legislature. The vice president breaks ties, he/she cannot offer bills or resolutions, or any other of the functions of the legislators. Being president of the senate makes one no more a member of the legislative branch than being the chaplain of the senate.
Prior to the 12th amendment the vice president was the guy who finished second in the vote for president, implying that he/she is not part of the executive branch is a canard that like you, I'm sick of people of Cheney's ilk making.

In article 1 the legislature is said to consist of the Senate and House, and then further goes on to say the following:

"The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature."

Vice president doesn't apply to that as he is voted on every 4 yrs.

"The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, (chosen by the Legislature thereof,) (The preceding words in parentheses superseded by 17th Amendment, section 1.) for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote."

Vice pres gets no vote so he doesn't qualify there.

So logic says
A)Article 1 section 1:
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

B)Article 1 section 2:
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

c) Article 1 sec 3:
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, (chosen by the Legislature thereof,) (The preceding words in parentheses superseded by 17th Amendment, section 1.) for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

So 1)the Legislature consists of a House and a Senate (A)
2) The House consists of B
3) The Senate consists of C

Therefore the Vice president is not part of the legislature.

To fortify that position note the 20th amendment that says the Pres and VP have terms that expire on 20 Jan while the congressional terms expire on 3 Jan.
Note also that the 27th amendment limiting Congressional pay increases makes no mention of the VP.
Note also that the VP cannot be any person not constitutionally eligible to be the president, a qualification not required of members of the congress.

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