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Didn't realize KY has a border fence. Anyone here manning it ?

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Explain the 30B / year remittance if the immigrants are contributing more than they consume
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hey, hey.. we're winning this war on illegals.



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Explain the 30B / year remittance if the immigrants are contributing more than they consume
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They spend most of it on food, which they buy mostly from us.

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hey, hey.. we're winning this war on illegals.
And why? Phony fences? Gestapo round ups? No, there are no jobs right now because we are going into a recession. It simply proves the point I have continually made - the solution to the illegal alien problem lies with enforcement being directed at the employers, not the illegals. When there are no jobs, they go home, because it is a hell of a lot easier to live in Mexico with no job than it is in the United States. Instead of fascist right-wing bully-boy solutions of throwing the cleaning lady into irons and burning up taxpayer-financeg gas chasing janitors around, we simply need to put those who employ these people into prison.

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Explain the 30B / year remittance if the immigrants are contributing more than they consume
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Your data sets lack sufficient overlap to make an assertion either way. We don't know the depth of the survey by the IDB or their methodology. We do know the methodology of the previous studies that show positive balance in contributions vs cost to taxpayer.

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yes sir. you know i agree but no body on the hill seems to concur with this opinion. they'd rather blow wads at the southern border while leaving the northern one completely un attended.



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Didn't realize KY has a border fence. Anyone here manning it ?

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I would assume that some of Kentucky's reduction would have to do with three economic factors. First, the tobacco industry has slowed down which means the very labor intensive work associated with it as been reduced, second, many of the small factories that have populated Kentucky in the past have closed as the economy has slowed or their work has offshored or moved to Mexico and third, the building and construction business has ground to a halt. With the exception of remodeling work there is very little building going on. So that would be my guess on Kentucky.

Not a wall, just a pipeline of jobs to other places.

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Your data sets lack sufficient overlap to make an assertion either way. We don't know the depth of the survey by the IDB or their methodology. We do know the methodology of the previous studies that show positive balance in contributions vs cost to taxpayer.
I don't see any reason to question the survey.
Again, you have a problem with simple dollars and sense. What is so hard to understand about 30 billion real dollars sent abroad ?

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I would assume that some of Kentucky's reduction would have to do with three economic factors. First, the tobacco industry has slowed down which means the very labor intensive work associated with it as been reduced, second, many of the small factories that have populated Kentucky in the past have closed as the economy has slowed or their work has offshored or moved to Mexico and third, the building and construction business has ground to a halt. With the exception of remodeling work there is very little building going on. So that would be my guess on Kentucky.

Not a wall, just a pipeline of jobs to other places.
Really , and Tennessee, W Virginia, Missouri , Illinois are immune from the same job loss woes ? The second reason you propose does not hold water.
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