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A man that does not cover his ass, his back and refuses to look where the knives are coming from is a fool and has no business being a manager. You have to reward employee's loyalty while weeding out subversive people. Subversive people undermine you, the company and they will, eventually, sink it. Any time there is change, you have an element that doesn't like it and they will go to hell to ensure that they are a burr in your saddle, to see that you fail and heartily laugh while you stumble. I have about 3 of those and they will be addressed. The rest are good employees that know if something isn't changed, they will be seeking work in a time when it isn't pleasant to be looking.
In the Air Force we had those folks transferred to Thule AFB in Greenland then straight to Anderson at Guam [ and back] and at IBM we had them go on foreign assignment to China or Jordan.

If you have a foreign subsidiary, sometimes a promotion can be a good thing for all involved.

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A man that does not cover his ass, his back and refuses to look where the knives are coming from is a fool and has no business being a manager. You have to reward employee's loyalty while weeding out subversive people. Subversive people undermine you, the company and they will, eventually, sink it. Any time there is change, you have an element that doesn't like it and they will go to hell to ensure that they are a burr in your saddle, to see that you fail and heartily laugh while you stumble. I have about 3 of those and they will be addressed. The rest are good employees that know if something isn't changed, they will be seeking work in a time when it isn't pleasant to be looking.
It's time to drop the hammer on them Cmitch. I have had to do it a few times myself. And it worked out for the best.
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In the Air Force we had those folks transferred to Thule AFB in Greenland then straight to Anderson at Guam [ and back] and at IBM we had them go on foreign assignment to China or Jordan.

If you have a foreign subsidiary, sometimes a promotion can be a good thing for all involved.
It reminds me of a story a co-worker told me about his Master Sergeant who pulled rank on a Captain. He told me the Captain didn't like him and had him transferred to another area of Vietnam, where fighting was fierce. When he protested to the MS, he was told he had to go, if he was transferred, BUT, he'd see what he could do to get him back. Soooo, the MS went to the brass, told them that it was HIS camp and he didn't want some paper shuffling, pencil pushing, do nothing Captain who'd never seen a battlefield walking around in his camp transferring out his good soldiers. Meanwhile, my buddy said he boarded the copter to leave, arrived at the new location to discover the Captain was already there. Then, the Captain, with a painful grimace, handed him written orders that his transfer was nullified and he was to return to his previous post. So, you could say the Captain's 'promotion' was good for everyone. I had no idea that a Master Sergeant was more respected than a Captain.

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It reminds me of a story a co-worker told me about his Master Sergeant who pulled rank on a Captain. He told me the Captain didn't like him and had him transferred to another area of Vietnam, where fighting was fierce. When he protested to the MS, he was told he had to go, if he was transferred, BUT, he'd see what he could do to get him back. Soooo, the MS went to the brass, told them that it was HIS camp and he didn't want some paper shuffling, pencil pushing, do nothing Captain who'd never seen a battlefield walking around in his camp transferring out his good soldiers. Meanwhile, my buddy said he boarded the copter to leave, arrived at the new location to discover the Captain was already there. Then, the Captain, with a painful grimace, handed him written orders that his transfer was nullified and he was to return to his previous post. So, you could say the Captain's 'promotion' was good for everyone. I had no idea that a Master Sergeant was more respected than a Captain.
Depending on circumstance, Master Sargent can get away will a bunch. They are the "foremen" of the forces. Now the Captain could just as easily have said that MS was confused about ownership and shipped him forward also. But it would have required bringing in another Sargent who could run the flightline [or post] without a efficiency drop.

I never liked being a Captain. It always seemed that I was given the work but not responsibility. A middle manager job.

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You most CERTAINLY can fake stupid. As a matter of fact, I did so this morning. If you want to know who you can and can not trust, feed the person in question info, that, if it gets back to you, you KNOW it had to have come from this person. You have to make it sound juicy, but the info must be harmless lest you find yourself looking for another job. What did I find out? Not only can I NOT trust this f^ckwad, he wasted little time attempting to be subversive by reporting this 'juicy' info to all the employees. From this day on, I'll use him as my tool.
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One of the funniest things I have ever encountered was in NATO. I was a sergeant and was sitting in a local bar with a Captain who I was responsible too. He was facing the bar and I was side to the bar facing the Captain.

He had a bad day and was very depressed, so he drank quite a lot of beer. He started slagging the Colonel and the Colonel walked into the bar (I was about to stand up but the Colonel showed his hand) so I remained seated as the colonel stood behind the Captain waiting for service.

In a desperate attempt to warn the Captain, I said sir do you show no respect for your commanding officer as he is standing behind you? He said look dick head if the Queen of England was standing behind me I would not care less and the CO is a dick brain too

The Colonel said, quite loudly, evening SGT E how are you. The Captains face turned white and he almost choked on his drink.

Some years later I met this Captain again and he was then a Lt Colonel and he said to me, there are alternative means to promotion you know

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On further reflection, I think this is a variation on the old "beauty" saying.


Smarts may be only skin deep, but stupidity goes clear through to the marrow.

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On further reflection, I think this is a variation on the old "beauty" saying.


Smarts may be only skin deep, but stupidity goes clear through to the marrow.
So that why all my joints hurt so bad. Thanks man for clearing things up for me.
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On further reflection, I think this is a variation on the old "beauty" saying.


Smarts may be only skin deep, but stupidity goes clear through to the marrow.
Then if smart is only skin deep aren't we all pretty stupid?

I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way.
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