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Tahloube,
Let me paraphrase what I understand of your reply and quotations.
Isn't this what you are saying ... "Under Islam, humans are equal regardless of race, gender or social status but unequal with regard to belief in Allaah".

Basically, no soup for non-believers.


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Islam's first teachings were of human equality regardless of race, gender or social status.
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“O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. he is one of the Muttaqoon (the pious)]. Verily, Allaah is All-Knowing, All Aware”
[al-Hujuraat 49:13]
That necessarily means some are not as honorable with Allaah.

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And whosoever believes in Allaah and performs righteous good deeds, He will admit him into Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise) to dwell therein forever. Allaah has indeed granted for him an excellent provision”
[al-Talaaq 65:11]
For a non-believer, no paradise is granted.

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"O people, your Lord is One and your father [i.e., Adam] is one. There is no superiority of the Arab over the non-Arab, or of the non-Arab over the Arab, or of the red over the black, or of the black over the red – except with regard to taqwa.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 22391)
The emboldened qualifier is the key phrase.

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Abu Dharr (a companion of the Prophet Muhammad) said: “There was an argument between me and one of my brothers whose mother was non-Arab. I insulted him about his mother, and he complained about me to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). I met the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said, “O Abu Dharr, you are a man who still has jaahiliyyah (ignorance) in him.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim; this version narrated by Muslim, 3139).
Ignorance of what ?

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a metaphor that says 'eat me' all over it
No soup for you.
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Fourth, I'm a "typical Muslim woman who is born" a Muslim. I wasn't born into an oppressive, repressive culture. I know my rights and I have them all (at least in my Muslim environment). Do you think it's better for me to live in the west?

Any Muslim woman who reads and posts semi-regularly here in BWOT is definitely not a typical one.
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Are you willing to challenge me on this topic?
No challenge is needed nor required.
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Any Muslim woman who reads and posts semi-regularly here in BWOT is definitely not a typical one.
Anybody who posts in BWOT is a basket case, it has nothing to do with religion or gender

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No challenge is needed nor required.
Why? This is a forum after all or is this topic not worthy of your superior knowledge? So why are you trying to tell Talhoube what she should be as if she doesn't know what she is? Give her an ounce of credibility before you pass judgment, can you do that?
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Why? This is a forum after all or is this topic not worthy of your superior knowledge? So why are you trying to tell Talhoube what she should be as if she doesn't know what she is? Give her an ounce of credibility before you pass judgment, can you do that?
No one here is required to challenge someone's else beliefs just as anyone here may challenge other's beliefs. You seem to have a problem with this concept.

But let me suggest you put your willy back where it belongs, 'cause I sure as hell did not pass judgement on nor try to tell Tahloube what she should be.
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No one here is required to challenge someone's else beliefs just as anyone here may challenge other's beliefs. You seem to have a problem with this concept.

But let me suggest you put your willy back where it belongs, 'cause I sure as hell did not pass judgement on nor try to tell Tahloube what she should be.
I am not challenging your beliefs but rather challenging your knowledge. You're the one challenging Talhoube's beliefs you hypocrite!
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People should adhere to laws set fourth by the country that THEY make the decision to become a CITIZEN of. As secular as Britan is I can't believe they would have this gross disregard for seperation of church and state. Britan messed up by not having a clear and concise constitution. Of course the Constitution never stopped american politicians.

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Tahloube,
Let me paraphrase what I understand of your reply and quotations.
Isn't this what you are saying ... "Under Islam, humans are equal regardless of race, gender or social status but unequal with regard to belief in Allaah".



Rather, it's under Islam, humans are equal regardless of race, gender, etc. However, in the Afterlife, Allaah will reward believers and punish non-believers based on their acts. They were equal in life and had the opportunity and choice but after death they're no longer equal; Some will be better than others by God's judgment.


Basically, no soup for non-believers.


I'm not sure what you mean.





That necessarily means some are not as honorable with Allaah.


“O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. he is one of the Muttaqoon (the pious)]. Verily, Allaah is All-Knowing, All Aware
[al-Hujuraat 49:13]

At the Day of Judgment, God the All-Knowing, All-Aware will judge people (depending on their acts and words in life) and those who believed and did good things are better/more honourable than those who didn't.







For a non-believer, no paradise is granted.

Exactly


The emboldened qualifier is the key phrase.


Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, said:
"O people, your Lord is One and your father [i.e., Adam] is one. There is no superiority of the Arab over the non-Arab, or of the non-Arab over the Arab, or of the red over the black, or of the black over the red – except with regard to taqwa.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 22391)



Exactly. Taqwa is something only God knows of.. as it's a matter of the heart. In short, only God will judge people and until then, nobody's better than anybody else and everybody has the same rights and obligations.




Ignorance of what ?

Jaahiliyyah is the historic period preceding Islam when Arabs worshiped idols, killed infant girls, injustice was the norm and Arabs were of no significance among the nations. It refers to two things that are combined in this period: jahl (ignorance) and jahaalah (foolishness). The word Jaahiliyyah is a blameworthy word ..
More on jaahiliyyah here :
Islam Question and Answer - Is it permissible to use the word Jaahiliyyah to refer to societies after the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?
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