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^ Ouch. Now that'll leave a mark.
You are presupposing sentience good sir.
Perhaps another search is in order for examples in support of this?
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Those do not conflict w/ anything I have said. Read them carefully... And in context!
Actually I did read them completely and in context. That is why your current position seems so incongruous. It is anathema to nearly everything you have said about Bushie and Reagan Economic policies for the past three years.

In the past you have given Bushie credit for every nuance of economic growth this country has experienced and defended every Policy he has had when that policy has proven wrong, in error or weak. Until today. Today you took a new tact that tries to say that a President can't affect National economics on most any level. Now you say that all those Tax Cuts that you promoted, all those FED decisions that you promoted, all those bailouts for the Financial sector [like Bear Stearns] were just a waste of time and money because the President can't do shit. All those stimulus checks were just a drain on the national reserves.

Are you sure you didn't just come to the realization that Bushie is ineffective at positive changes in the economy and that Bushie is ineffective in defining an Economics Doctrine that has been able to govern this country's fiscal security?

I believe that the first step is Admitting that there is a problem. Welcome.

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The US economy IS slowing down, UK, Spain, Japan, and Australia aren't far behind, and China is already starting to pop.

Best book I had to read over the summer: "How to Lie with Statistics"

I firmly believe that in a "free market" economy, there must be failures.

NOTHING, IMHO, is too big to fail . . .

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Abolish the Fed; and remove government institutions and policies that promote an "ownership society".

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You guys are making a lot of hot wind but read todays news and see the relaity It is not everyones dream

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Actually I did read them completely and in context. That is why your current position seems so incongruous. It is anathema to nearly everything you have said about Bushie and Reagan Economic policies for the past three years.

In the past you have given Bushie credit for every nuance of economic growth this country has experienced and defended every Policy he has had when that policy has proven wrong, in error or weak. Until today. Today you took a new tact that tries to say that a President can't affect National economics on most any level. Now you say that all those Tax Cuts that you promoted, all those FED decisions that you promoted, all those bailouts for the Financial sector [like Bear Stearns] were just a waste of time and money because the President can't do shit. All those stimulus checks were just a drain on the national reserves.

Are you sure you didn't just come to the realization that Bushie is ineffective at positive changes in the economy and that Bushie is ineffective in defining an Economics Doctrine that has been able to govern this country's fiscal security?

I believe that the first step is Admitting that there is a problem. Welcome.
First of all, your liberal myopia makes it impossible for you to see (understand) what I actually say. And second of all, I never said that their policies did nothing, just that the economy was too dynamic and resilient to be "controlled" by them. Your problem, as w/ sooo many things, is that you make flat-out, ridiculous, statements leaving the impression that the economy is "control" by what the administration does. As usual, you see the forest, but not the trees! And there always seems to be a rain cloud over your head--even on the most beautiful, sunny day.

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First of all, your liberal myopia makes it impossible for you to see (understand) what I actually say.
How true that is! Bear, Jayhawk's argument is simply too nuanced for your simple mind to grasp. Anything that has happened during Bush's presidency has been Clinton's fault, or possibly Carter's. This is a hard and fast rule, except when a Democrat is in office. Then anything which happens during their presidency is their own fault. Clear now?
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Thanks. I'm really thinking that we had better vote for McCain/Palin. Not for reasons of spite, as mlfun would have it, but because this nightmare is shaping up considerably worse even than Jay says I'm making it seem. It might follow that whichever party is in power is going to pay a long-term, possibly permanent political price for it. Not spite, just strategy. Yes I'm sorry that the Supreme Court will regress even further into primitive superstition, and I'm sorry that McCain/Palin will try to start some new wars, but this is bigger than that. Particularly since it's big enough that it might prevent them from starting those wars. They'll be like screaming babies whose rattles were taken from them. Do you really want to miss that? The 12 years of Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin will go down in history as the time of America's ruination. Hopefully we can recover then. I don't think we're ready yet.

Here's the editorial that has me thinking this way just now

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16tue1.html
Your strategy is similar and just as ineffective as the Dems banking on defeat in Iraq to sway the election currently on-going. Psychologically, you put yourselves in a position that postures you against success; you begin to own failure in whatever. The Dems will end up, like in the last six years, working in constant campaign mode with their only aim to destroy the reputation of the administration and the country. Dems have lost 8 of the last 10 presidential elections; this strategy would only continue the roll you're on.

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How true that is! Bear, Jayhawk's argument is simply too nuanced for your simple mind to grasp. Anything that has happened during Bush's presidency has been Clinton's fault, or possibly Carter's. This is a hard and fast rule, except when a Democrat is in office. Then anything which happens during their presidency is their own fault. Clear now?
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