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^ Republican playing the "I'm a Democrat" game. You get boring.
If Destroyer is a Republican, then the Republican party is in deeper do-do than I first thought.

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If Destroyer is a Republican, then the Republican party is in deeper do-do than I first thought.
He is a an operative but I can't put my finger on it
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He is a an operative but I can't put my finger on it
His old avatar said it all.

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The New York Post likes FTL's headline, but has a different take on where he may have gone wrong.

HOW OBAMA BLEW IT - New York Post
Posted: 4:13 am
September 9, 2008

YESTERDAY'S Gallup poll had John McCain ahead of Barack Obama by an astonishing 10 points among likely voters. A Washington Post poll had that lead at only two points, but clearly showed a McCain surge - especially among women. This wasn't what Democrats were expecting when they left Denver - yet they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Obama's toughest challenge has always been to connect with working-class swing voters. So attacking the poster child for small-town values, Sarah Palin, was a bad strategy.

No, Obama didn't engage in the mass sneering at Palin - but he did fall into the trap of disrespecting her. When McCain chose her, the Obama campaign's first response was to ridicule the size of her town. Then the candidate himself began referring to her as a "former mayor" when she is in fact a sitting governor.

When she retaliated (justifiably) by mocking his stint as a organizer, the Obama camp was clearly rattled. Obama himself actually began arguing about the importance of community organizing. His supporters amplified this cry - claiming Palin's attack was a racist slur and passing around e-mails titled "Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor."

Meanwhile, the rest of the country was probably wondering what being a community organizer has to do with being president.

Lured by the McCain camp, Obama supporters engaged in an argument about who had more overall experience - the top of the Democratic ticket or the bottom of the GOP ticket. This diminished Obama.

Meanwhile, the media lit up in all their cultural-elite splendor.

Alaska? they sneered. It has the population of Las Vegas! Funny how the coastal elite only sneers at red states with small populations. Howard Dean hailed from a blue state with almost the same population as Alaska and was a national phenomenon and front-runner for the presidency. Joe Biden's Delaware has a similarly small population - but no mocking was forthcoming there.

Evangelicals will never vote for a woman who works! they declared. This from people who've likely never met an evangelical in their lives. They could barely contain themselves when they found out Gov. Palin's daughter was pregnant, so sure were they that evangelicals would hang her from the highest tree. When evangelical leaders expressed support, there was a palpable disappointment that Palin or her daughter wasn't branded with a scarlet letter.

They claimed that the Palin announcement was some desperate pick that came out of nowhere. Had they been doing their jobs, or even perusing The Weekly Standard or right-wing blogs, they'd have known that she was on the list.

Since they didn't know anything about her, they started making things up. Anything that fit the caricature of a right-wing hypocrite was thrown up with, seemingly, no fact-checking.

They said she opposes contraception, when she said in a campaign debate that she is pro-contraception. They said she cut funding for pregnant teens, when she provided a massive funding hike.

They accused her of cutting funding for mentally disabled children, when she raised it 175 percent over the former administration. She was said to have been a member of the wacky Alaska Independence Party; The New York Times had to run a retraction.

Like Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Palin has been deemed one of the GOP's rising stars. Since it's national reporters job to cover American politics, their ignorance of about her is distressing.

Most Americans think that the media are cheerleading for Obama, so they'll punish him for the reporters' and editors' sins.

So now he is weighted down with more baggage as he works to convince an important voting bloc that he and his party don't hold them in contempt.

The clock is ticking.

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The New York Times and the New York Post are two different newspapers. The Post is a tabloid bird-shit sheet owned by Fox News.

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I believe that BO made the VP choice based on something much more simple and direct. I don't think his ole lady wanted to share the limelight of the White House with another female. She would have if he choose Hillary and was elected. then she would have had to play 2nd fiddle to Hillary. Not going to happen, certainly not to her. Should he lose this, its his ole Lady's doing.
Listen to the guy. It was Bill, not Hillary. Hillary comes with Bill and Bill, while a great guy in his day, seems entirely unable to be on the field and play a position other than quarterback, or the role of headline hogging disgruntled player because he isn't getting the ball enough, and that would be because he basically sucks at any position other than quarterback. This was clear in his "role" in Hillary's campaign.

The issue at hand is McCain has not just laid down and died and it is going to take real work to get Obama elected. If that is scaring you lifelong Democrats, the party is a party of fuckwads.

McCain is a shallow, empty shell of his former self, that has been filled with precisely the Christofacist bullshit he used to be viewed as a "maverick" in his party for opposing. The grassroots Democratic party support needs to be mobilized and expose McCain for the shill he has become for Christofacism. Playing "nice" about something so un-American just because the Christofacists have wrapped their bullshit in the American flag is a formula for losing.

McCain is a bigger stooge now than Bush. Even Bush has changed his tune - he is setting a timeline for ending the Iraq war, he is letting Rice negotiate with bad guys, and he is being confronted by the failures of his own Christofacist associations. In all likelihood Bush's lame duckedness is what has empowered him, and given the opportunity to stay in power he would reverse himself on the cited issues. But McCain the "maverick" is starting out heading to the far right of Bush. This should be the only things the Democrats talk about.

Obama has already explained his agenda in greater detail than McCain, and now it is time to hold McCain's actions up against his words. Torture is a great subject, and the GOP convention gave the Democrats lots of footage to make lots of mileage over his switch on the subject as he succumbed to the Christofacist right wing of his party. Rip the old fuck apart. He is a lying, cheating on his first wife for years with various women because he was so full of his own shit, loser. Put that shit in the face of the public because they respond to it. Whip up a Democratic version of the Swiftboaters. Americans love and respond to that shit. Swiftboat the shit out of Rush Limbaugh, and O'Reilly. Get aggressive. Fight and win for a change.

Obama may not want to be in the middle of this shit, but without it he won't be anything but another, better candidate who ran for office and lost. Jim
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Biden is probably reviewing tapes of Rick Lazio's debate with Hillary.

For some reason Biden has been rejected twice by his own party as presidential material.
Having lived in NYC during the very rough and tumble Lazio/Clinton campaign, I know that Lazio was a weak second string player thrown into the ring when Rudy bowed out at the last second with health issues. Biden doesn't need to review anything that Lazio did.

Biden has lost twice to different candidates. When there are eight candidates running on the democratic side, there are going to be seven that lose.

Of course, we could also argue that McCain was also rejected by his party using your criteria.

So, no executive experience AND rejected by his party. So why is McCain on the Republican ticket again?

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That is the best video I have seen in a while. And good all the way til the end.

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