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^ If you look closely or watch the other lines people took through that final chicane, Kimi had the racing line and stayed on it. Hamilton put himself in an untenable position, out-braking himself. I think the effort to give Kimi the lead back was a little less than inspired, which is probably what drew the penalty.
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^ If you look closely or watch the other lines people took through that final chicane, Kimi had the racing line and stayed on it. Hamilton put himself in an untenable position, out-braking himself. I think the effort to give Kimi the lead back was a little less than inspired, which is probably what drew the penalty.

Excellent read on that portion of the race, though Kimi has left all Ferrari fans wanting ths season............
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^ No doubt about that. Hamilton was much better on the prime tires all weekend, so I wasn't surprised to see him catch Kimi. If he'd done what he did a few laps earlier, this would probably be a non-issue. Similarly, if he'd not spun in La Source early in the race, it would have been a non-issue.
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Kimi took himself out of the race after getting the lead back by spinning, getting back on the track a bit back in the field, and then spinning again and taking his car into a wall. To attribute that loss of control to the "advantage" Hamilton gained by cutting through the grass instead of crashing into Kimi is absurd. Or to suggest Hamilton just decided to cut the corner to gain some time on purpose. The logic for the penalty of 25 seconds is missing as well. The distribution of penalties affecting points when Ferrari violates the rules vs. McLaren is steeply in favor of Ferarri. Jim
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^ If you look closely or watch the other lines people took through that final chicane, Kimi had the racing line and stayed on it. Hamilton put himself in an untenable position, out-braking himself. I think the effort to give Kimi the lead back was a little less than inspired, which is probably what drew the penalty.
I completely agree. It was also unnecessary, given how much faster the McLaren was in the drizzle. Hamilton had plenty of race left and could have just lined Kimi up for an easy pass. He deserved a penalty. I don't know where 25 seconds comes from - is that a fixed amount with precedent or was it an arbitrary decision?
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^ That's what I'm wondering too; alas, I'm too busy / lazy to pour through the sporting regulations. Hamilton could have probably made easy work of out-braking Kimi at the end of the Kemmel straight.
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The old link "expired." Here is another:

YouTube - Lewis Hamilton-Belgian Grand Prix-Crazy Finish

I would be curious if there is a protocol in the rules for how much of an advantage Hamilton was supposed to hand back to Kimi. I believe he is only required to let him get back in front, by about the same advantage he had at the time of the infraction. 25 seconds is actually not that arbitrary. It is what it takes to get Hamilton in third. Pretty slimy. Especially considering Kimi took himself out later. Jim
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^ I seem to think it's until the next turn, but I can't substantiate that.
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