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Thanks man, I needed that...[big grin]

Actually, we were just discussing this episode at work the other day. Apparently Quayle had made those comparisons on the stump a few times, and Bentsen heard about it while hunkered down with one of his speech coaches, Michael Shadow*. Shadow saw Bentsen's visceral reaction to the laughable contention and immediately saw grist for the mill. The two of them then planned out Bentsen's response should Quayle repeat during the debate. Sure enough, he did, and you can see Bentsen break into a smirk just as Dan takes the bait--classic.

*Shadow lectured in one of my grad school classes, and impressed me with his amazing presence and commanding delivery.
This was a very effective gambit by Vice President Bentsen....oh, wait a moment, something is wrong....

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Your age is showing. The reference to the debate was posted as an example of how unimportant VP choices generally are. Remember now?

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Your age is showing. The reference to the debate was posted as an example of how unimportant VP choices generally are. Remember now?
Methinks you need to read between the lines in this discussion. Taking enjoyment in a Dem ass-kicking of a Repub VP candidate doesn't just arise in a vacuum, especially when we have another similar debate quite soon.

Somehow I can't believe that the libs on BWOT are going to bet on Palin kicking Biden's ass. In a short time we will see the socialist assassins here starting a drumbeat for old Joe. To that I say, "remember Rick Lazio..."

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Sheesh bud, take your partisan blinders off for just a second. I can't speak for anyone else, but my post was in reference to one of the great putdowns in modern politics. The political parties in question are entirely irrelevant to that discussion
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Methinks you need to read between the lines in this discussion. Taking enjoyment in a Dem ass-kicking of a Repub VP candidate doesn't just arise in a vacuum, especially when we have another similar debate quite soon.

Somehow I can't believe that the libs on BWOT are going to bet on Palin kicking Biden's ass. In a short time we will see the socialist assassins here starting a drumbeat for old Joe. To that I say, "remember Rick Lazio..."
You miss the point once again, it is your extreme partisanship that blinds you at times. I thought the Bentsen-Quayle debate was hilarious, and possibly even more one-sided and embarrassing than the first Bush-Kerry debate -- well maybe not. I voted for Bush 41 BTW -- eagerly, despite his breathtakingly poor choice of a running mate. Once again, the point is and was this -- this race is still McCain vs. Obama.

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You miss the point once again, it is your extreme partisanship that blinds you at times. I thought the Bentsen-Quayle debate was hilarious, and possibly even more one-sided and embarrassing than the first Bush-Kerry debate -- well maybe not. I voted for Bush 41 BTW -- eagerly, despite his breathtakingly poor choice of a running mate. Once again, the point is and was this -- this race is still McCain vs. Obama.
That is an oversimplification of the current political scene. That may be the headline, but the election will be decided by about 5 million swing voters on election date. So we ask who are they and what will influence their decisions?

The VP candidates are more important in this cycle than in any in recent memory. The first is that Hillary is not a candidate for either post. That leaves a lot of women in that swing group for obvious reasons. Second, the "change" candidate, Obama, chose a non-change VP candidate in Biden, known mostly for his verbosity and his assassination of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas. Third, McCain picked a VP candidate who represents to those swing voters all the characteristics of the feminist agenda without the victimhood identity or liberal credentials.

On their own, Obama presents like a young, strong sapling tree without real roots, but especially after his speech McCain looks like a mature, rough, time-worn oak tree. My bet is on McCain.

BTW: During the first part of the O'Reilly interview, BHO finally admitted the Iraq troop surge "worked beyond our wildest dreams." If he's so good at assessing the public's views and needs, what kept him from this recognition so long--ignorance, stubbornness or sheer stupidity?

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That is an oversimplification of the current political scene. That may be the headline, but the election will be decided by about 5 million swing voters on election date. So we ask who are they and what will influence their decisions?

Third, McCain picked a VP candidate who represents to those swing voters all the characteristics of the feminist agenda without the victimhood identity or liberal credentials.
Not to ask this too bluntly but have you ever even talked to anyone who holds to any of the principles of "the feminist agenda"? A little hint, Palin does not represent ANY of them. Just because she has a uterus does not make her a feminist or appealing to feminists.

Let's just look at some of the base issues. Abstinence Only Sex education, ProLife, ProWar, anti Environment, Aligned with the Christian Coalition, wants to overturn Roe v Wade. Which of those issues do you think will pull Hillary "swing" voters away from their CORE values to vote for McCain/Palin?

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Personally I think both candidates suck. Far from who I would pick to run the country. Got to say at least there is no one like kerry or edwards in the race.

I personally think both candidates are going to lead the country in the wrong direction. Different directions, but still wrong.

I think both parties are a cancer on our society.

As far as the statement about obama only raising taxes on the rich - that is an absolute lie. If you own stocks, bonds (excluding tax exempt), mutual funds, etc. you will pay more taxes. If you think think an individual making ~$100k per year is not rich well that person is going to pay more in ss taxes.

Not to mention that the gov't is really good at fucking things up yet many people think it is a good idea to involve them even more in our health care.

I could go on but there is no reason.

What we need now is not the same batch of crap both parties are selling but someone with courage. Someone that will reduce government spending and size. Someone that will get the gov't out of trying to legislate morality. There are many brave actions we need politicians to take but instead we are handicapped with these cowards.

You touched on some good points that I can agree with. I think the debates will help out. If Obama can handle the debates and speak clearly on the issues at hand and how he plans on turning things around in the 4 years he's shooting for cool. I think that would give all of us a better insight to his character.

If McCain can explain to us in detail what separates him from Bush and the clean sweep he plans on taking with a full release of his medical records at the end of each month cool, my ears are open.

My support for Obama stems from wanting to step out the box on our next President as well as the people who will help him turn this country around. All the attacks (including the ones I made) are for not, because we need serious action to take effect. At the moment, it seems like we are dividing this country and all the mean while we are at war, losing our economic stance from failing Banks and Mortgage companies. The working class such as my self, are struggling and those with money are bound to loose their control of their assets.

I would like to see a stronger foreign and domestic economic policy in place. I think all this bickering is just waisted time and air. It'll be interesting no matter what to see if the two parties can sit down and put the bitterness aside for the better of our country.






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That is an oversimplification of the current political scene. That may be the headline, but the election will be decided by about 5 million swing voters on election date. So we ask who are they and what will influence their decisions?

The VP candidates are more important in this cycle than in any in recent memory. The first is that Hillary is not a candidate for either post. That leaves a lot of women in that swing group for obvious reasons. Second, the "change" candidate, Obama, chose a non-change VP candidate in Biden, known mostly for his verbosity and his assassination of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas. Third, McCain picked a VP candidate who represents to those swing voters all the characteristics of the feminist agenda without the victimhood identity or liberal credentials.

On their own, Obama presents like a young, strong sapling tree without real roots, but especially after his speech McCain looks like a mature, rough, time-worn oak tree. My bet is on McCain.

BTW: During the first part of the O'Reilly interview, BHO finally admitted the Iraq troop surge "worked beyond our wildest dreams." If he's so good at assessing the public's views and needs, what kept him from this recognition so long--ignorance, stubbornness or sheer stupidity?
I believe you're still hung-over from the convention week buzz. Give it a couple weeks, let the furor die down (that was the brilliance of the McCain selection -- a relatively unknown woman as VP created a furor for an otherwise drab campaign), and I believe we'll return to focusing on the candidates, rather than their running mates. If I'm wrong, quote this post back and gimme the good "told ya so" ass-kickin' I deserve.

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I was at the rally in Dayton, OH when Palin was announced as VP. Her speech there was great. I'm no political genious, but I think Obama sounds angry in every speech he gives. I don't understand where all his hate and bitterness is coming from. America is a great country already. It has been for over 200 years. Why does he think we need change so much?

Call me a right-winger I will be the first to admit that. The trouble with changing things is that you don't know what you are changing into. If something works why try fixing it? Current unemployment is under 6% and I still have my basic rights. As long as the government keeps me moderately safe on a global scale I feel they are doing their job.
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