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He is just trying to raise his post count.
Ouch. Is that what you think?

Given the fact that I'll never catch the leaders, post count means little to me anymore. Can you recall the last time I bumped my "Milestones" thread? Nope, my stat du jour is the "posts per day" count. It currently takes me almost 80 posts to pick up a tenth.

Meanwhile, I was keenly interested in determining why one candidate's misstep was not similar to another's side step.

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Meanwhile, I was keenly interested in determining why one candidate's misstep was not similar to another's side step.
Can you provide an example?

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Is it because you believe so strongly that that religious beliefs and personal morals should stay completely out of government doctrine and law? That strong Libertarian view?
Do Libertarians believe in anarchy? Not sure how you separate a respect for human rights from morality; the two are inextricably intertwined.

Roe v. Wade is a one-trick pony - it addresses only one "use case" if you will, for the relationship between a mother and a fetus. In my opinion, it is obviated by the majority of states which have laws explicitly protecting them from death in utero. It's antiquated, and one could say that continuing to use it as the basis for allowing abortions to take place is the inconvenient truth a careless nation doesn't want to confront.

It's very easy to make this argument on the grounds of morality, but in my opinion, it's easier to make this argument on the grounds of Roe v. Wade as 1) being a judgement, not a law...and 2) being in direct conflict with differently-phrased laws protecting the unborn.

The argument for pro-choice says "We don't know exactly when a fetus is viable". Well then, conservatively, you opt in favor of life. The benefit of the doubt has to go to the fetus, doesn't it?

It remains deeply troubling to me that so many otherwise decent people are so willing to take the easy way out when thinking about this issue. As if to say "I'd rather let a baby die than to be rude", or "Nobody kills my unborn fetus but me." Lunacy.
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Ouch. Is that what you think?

Given the fact that I'll never catch the leaders, post count means little to me anymore. Can you recall the last time I bumped my "Milestones" thread? Nope, my stat du jour is the "posts per day" count. It currently takes me almost 80 posts to pick up a tenth.

Meanwhile, I was keenly interested in determining why one candidate's misstep was not similar to another's side step.
I just want it all to be over.

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Don't the owners of BWOT make their money on the churn?

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What is human rights if not a legal issue? Humans determine human rights, and they (we) do it through legal systems. "At what point does a baby get human rights?" is an issue entirely resolved by the rule of law. He twisted a straight-forward legal question into something metaphysical, which rendered it essentially unanswerable (IOW, he ducked it). Given the circumstances, it was a wise tack. There was little else he could do.
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Do Libertarians believe in anarchy? Not sure how you separate a respect for human rights from morality; the two are inextricably intertwined.

Roe v. Wade is a one-trick pony - it addresses only one "use case" if you will, for the relationship between a mother and a fetus. In my opinion, it is obviated by the majority of states which have laws explicitly protecting them from death in utero. It's antiquated, and one could say that continuing to use it as the basis for allowing abortions to take place is the inconvenient truth a careless nation doesn't want to confront.

It's very easy to make this argument on the grounds of morality, but in my opinion, it's easier to make this argument on the grounds of Roe v. Wade as 1) being a judgement, not a law...and 2) being in direct conflict with differently-phrased laws protecting the unborn.

The argument for pro-choice says "We don't know exactly when a fetus is viable". Well then, conservatively, you opt in favor of life. The benefit of the doubt has to go to the fetus, doesn't it?

It remains deeply troubling to me that so many otherwise decent people are so willing to take the easy way out when thinking about this issue. As if to say "I'd rather let a baby die than to be rude", or "Nobody kills my unborn fetus but me." Lunacy.
You make the assumption that folks come to pro choice easy. That is just not the case.

I have always been mystified that the question comes to viability yet when push come to shove the answer from prolife is conception. There is so much that is incorrect with that logic that it befuddles me. So, using your example in paragraph four. If you know when a fetus is NOT viable, your argument against the pro choice folks is fully nullified.

Add in the hypocrisy of many pro-lifers who have no problem with the death penalty or starting or instigating war and the concept of the pro-life advocate become very diluted.

I have a very good friend who I respect greatly that is pro-life. He is also strongly against the death penalty and strongly against war and conflict of all types. HE is truly PRO LIFE. Most of the rest of the group are a hodge podge of compromise.

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