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Normally I would agree with you on that but history has said that our government does not exactly consider human rights in that kind of black and white fashion. We look at human rights in a very subjective, non legal, very political and very personal fashion. Otherwise we would has a very specific policy on how we addressed the actions of both OUR citizens, prisoners parked say in some Cuban Island or far away in Darfur. Or even in the womb. There is no pat legal answer to the question.
This "human right" must be considered in black and white, otherwise, an ambiguous legislative stance will invite a flood of unwelcome litigation with lives held in the balance based on ticky-tack little issues that come down to nanoseconds. Human rights in regard to this issue must be assigned at either conception or at birth, any other position is untenable, IMHO.

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It is apparent that a presidential opinion on the human rights of the unborn/nearly born/recently born will matter to enough citizens that it behooves a candidate to have an opinion ready to express. Much the same as drilling for oil in the U.S.

A poorly thought out answer by Gov. Palin over 2 years ago in a blindside is probably long gone from any position she might state today as she backed off of it as soon as she realized the error of her oversimplification.

My original point was...cut them both a break. That's all.

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This "human right" must be considered in black and white, otherwise, an ambiguous legislative stance will invite a flood of unwelcome litigation with lives held in the balance based on ticky-tack little issues that come down to nanoseconds. Human rights in regard to this issue must be assigned at either conception or at birth, any other position is untenable, IMHO.
What a conservative stance. Humans can't be trusted so we must set precedents and then hope for the best.
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I'm sure an entire potential industry of attorneys would vehemently disagree with my position. (Let's grant human rights on the 11th day, 11th hour, 11th minute, and 11th second of the third trimester.)

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This "human right" must be considered in black and white, otherwise, an ambiguous legislative stance will invite a flood of unwelcome litigation with lives held in the balance based on ticky-tack little issues that come down to nanoseconds. Human rights in regard to this issue must be assigned at either conception or at birth, any other position is untenable, IMHO.
That is why I said I would normally agree with you on this. I agree completely that it must be unambiguous and clear. This is one subject that cannot continue to fester.

However, which ever conclusion is reached, there will be an immediate movement to overturn it, science, emotion or logic be damned.

It is why I really didn't see it as a duck. I saw the answer as an acknowledgment of the current set of realities and how they are interwoven in the faith based setting of the question.

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You both are correct. Classic conservative versus liberal stance.

PS It was an educated duck. It is unrealistic to think anyone would have all the PC answers all the time. The semantics of recent answers whisper inaudibly compared to the cacophony of pulpit exclamations of past deeds.

PSII Whoever is funding whoever gets their point of view across first.
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It is apparent that a presidential opinion on the human rights of the unborn/nearly born/recently born will matter to enough citizens that it behooves a candidate to have an opinion ready to express. Much the same as drilling for oil in the U.S.

A poorly thought out answer by Gov. Palin over 2 years ago in a blindside is probably long gone from any position she might state today as she backed off of it as soon as she realized the error of her oversimplification.

My original point was...cut them both a break. That's all.
I guess the real difference is that I think his response was more than adequate. Why does anyone have to have an opinion to share with the public on this subject any more than they should have to have an opinion on some other religious sect's detailed rituals? Or whether or not Black dudes like to perform cunnilingus?

I think Palin's stance on creationism is well known, and if anyone has a question about it, it will be reiterated soon. This is either a religious event and in that case it does not belong in publicly funded schools, or it is science and does. It is clearly not science.

There is no similar misunderstanding of whether or not it is science as there is a fundamental lack of understanding of the mechanics of when a fertilized egg becomes a human being. Asking for an opinion on that subject and being told there is no opinion to be offered, is a legitimate answer. It is ok if you don't like it. I have been told "no" a bunch of times in my life and been disappointed with the answer. Didn't make it any less of an answer though.

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It is why I really didn't see it as a duck. I saw the answer as an acknowledgment of the current set of realities and how they are interwoven in the faith based setting of the question.
If you're in that kind of position, and your answer is a thoughtful "I don't know", you need to deliver it more convincingly and more directly than Mr. Obama did. The hems and haws are what convince me that he wasn't prepared to answer the question as asked. But, we could keep going back and forth on this all day and night. In the end, it's all Dig's fault.

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Or whether or not Black dudes like to perform cunnilingus?

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Ummm, I'm mystified as to why ya'll are still debating this...

Considering the venue, there's no answer a Pro-Choice candidate could've possibly uttered, other than what McCain fed them. You can argue about his delivery, but the ultimate message was never gonna please the hardcore Evangelicals, and he knew it. He was there to discuss the other economic and social justice components of his broader agenda, with the hope that they would out-resonate the taint of his "incorrect" position on this one dead-horse issue.
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