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History will elevate President Bush...

Like Harry Truman more than a half-century ago, George W. Bush will begin his slow exit from the political scene at next week's Republican National Convention as an unpopular wartime president. Delegates who will give him a standing ovation on the convention's opening night hope the comparison won't end there.

Like Truman, they say, Bush may triumph when the history of his presidency is written.

That won't happen until the war on terrorism is won or lost and Middle East nations choose between autocracy and democracy. "The story is only half-written," says Richard Norton Smith, who has directed the presidential libraries of Herbert Hoover, Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan. Bush's record, he says, "will be assessed through the prism of his successors" as well as the release of presidential documents and the cooling of partisan passions.

Loyal Republicans say Bush already deserves credit for keeping America safe after the worst foreign attack ever on American soil.

"He had no blueprint to look at. He had no textbook to consult," says delegate Neal Donaldson, 51, a financial planner from Livingston, Mont. "He dealt with it, and if you've noticed, there hasn't been a terror attack in the United States of America since Sept. 11."

Bush is the scheduled featured speaker at Monday's opening session of the convention, but he won't be there long. He plans to arrive in Minnesota earlier in the day and leave for Camp David immediately after his address.

Ten delegates randomly chosen from 10 states and interviewed by USA TODAY generally forgive the faulty intelligence that led to the initial bombing of Baghdad in 2003, noting that leading Democrats in Congress also believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Their major misgivings are over the war's subsequent execution, from a lack of sufficient force to abuses by prison guards.

Even GOP delegates who supported John McCain against Bush eight years ago praise the president's foreign policy record as well as his efforts — early and late in his presidency — to revive a flagging economy. Most applaud his record on social issues, from his two Supreme Court appointments to his stands against abortion, gay marriage and embryonic stem cell research.

Many delegates, however, lament Bush's domestic policy record, including his inability to control spending and free the nation from its reliance on foreign oil.

"When Republicans are in charge and we're spending like drunken sailors, it's an embarrassment," says Texas delegate Kathy Haigler, 50. "I feel like he's had extreme ups and extreme downs. But in Texas, we're still proud of him."

Defined by war on terror

For better or worse, the delegates agree that Bush's place in history will be forever linked to the war in Iraq.

Many say Bush's decisions — from his creation of a Department of Homeland Security to his invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq — will be proved right, despite the costs in blood and treasure.

"His job was to keep us safe, and he has done that. He will go down in history for that," says Denise Graves, 51, of Linden, Mich. "It's worth every penny. It's worth every drop of blood we had to shed."

By fighting the war overseas, says delegate Andreina Figueroa, 30, of Cutler Bay, Fla., Bush "is deterring those terrorists from being able to come and attack us. They're too busy hiding."

Others credit Bush for having a vision of a democratic Middle East and seeking to make Iraq the beachhead that would break the monopoly of autocratic governments there. "If those things actually happen, then it's going to look like a brilliant foreign policy," says Harvey Tettlebaum, 66, a delegate from Kansas City.

Republicans remain far more supportive of the Iraq war than others. Twenty-six percent of Republicans called the war a mistake in a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll last week, compared with 60% of respondents overall.

Still, some delegates worry that Bush focused too much on Iraq. "Instead of patrolling the streets of Baghdad, maybe we should have been patrolling the streets of Detroit," says Bob Felts, 61, of Ivor, Va. "That's going to be the nail in his coffin, just like Johnson with Vietnam."

Even as the economy sputters for the second time in Bush's presidency, stalwart Republicans like his prescriptions: tax cuts and spending restraint. Yet they give him better grades on the first than the second.

Without the 10-year, $1.7 trillion tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, many delegates say, the country could have been headed from a mild recession into a post-9/11 depression. The economic malaise, they say, is due more to the natural business cycle than government mismanagement.

When it comes to rising government spending and budget deficits approaching half a trillion dollars, the more conservative GOP delegates blame Bush and Congress, which for six years of his presidency was controlled mostly by Republicans.

"Bush went in with the idea to work in a bipartisan manner with both parties, and for some reason, nobody will let that happen," says Polly Granzow, 66, an Eldora, Iowa, farmer.

More moderate delegates say Bush should have been more willing to work with Congress on issues such as health care and energy costs.

Peter Spaulding of Hopkinton, N.H., who supported McCain in 2000 and chairs his New Hampshire campaign this year, wonders what happened to Bush's pledge to be a "compassionate conservative."

"I'd like to have seen more of that, rather than the intransigence," Spaulding says.

'He's never embarrassed us'

Bush's impact on foreign and domestic policy, like Truman's and Ronald Reagan's, may not be known for years, but Republicans say his personal imprint on the presidency is clear. Unlike Bill Clinton, they say, he has led a straight-and-narrow personal life inside the White House.

"He's never disappointed us. He's never embarrassed us," Haigler says.

Michael Puppio, 42, a lawyer from the Philadelphia suburb of Springfield, says Bush also differs from Clinton in his refusal to be guided by public opinion polls.

"He comes to a conclusion, and he sticks with that conclusion," Puppio says. "If a person who does that turns out to be right, they are labeled as dogged or determined.

"If a person who does that is wrong, they are labeled as stubborn, foolish or bullheaded."

"History," Puppio says, "will make that determination."

Brenda Lewis, 63, a retired teacher from Xenia, Ohio, has no doubt about Bush's final grade.

"I think eventually he will probably go down in history as one of the best presidents we've ever had," she says

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George W. Bush will begin his slow exit from the political scene at next week's Republican National Convention as an unpopular wartime president.

Like Truman, they say, Bush may triumph when the history of his presidency is written.

That won't happen "The story is only half-witten," says Richard Norton Smith, who has directed the presidential libraries of Herbert Hoover, Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan. Bush's record, he says, "will be assessed through the prism of his successors" as well as the release of presidential documents and the cooling of partisan passions.

Loyal Republicans say Bush already deserves credit

Bush is the scheduled featured speaker at Monday's opening session of the convention, and leave for Camp David immediately after his address.

Ten delegates randomly chosen from 10 states and interviewed by USA TODAY generally forgive the faulty intelligence. Their major misgivings are over the war's subsequent execution, from a lack of sufficient force to abuses by prison guards.

Even GOP delegates who supported John McCain against Bush eight years ago praise the president's foreign policy record as well as his failed efforts — early and late in his presidency — to revive a flagging economy. Most applaud his record on social issues, from his two Supreme Court appointments to his stands against abortion, gay marriage and embryonic stem cell research.

Many delegates, however, lament Bush's domestic policy record, including his inability to control spending and free the nation from its reliance on foreign oil.

"When Republicans are in charge and we're spending like drunken sailors, it's an embarrassment," says Texas delegate Kathy Haigler, 50. "I feel like he's had extreme ups and extreme downs. But in Texas, we're still proud of him."

Defined by war on terror

For better or worse, the delegates agree that Bush's place in history will be forever linked to the war in Iraq.

Many say Bush's decisions — from his creation of a Department of Homeland Security to his invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq — will be proved right, despite the costs in blood and treasure.

"His job was to keep us safe, and he has done that. He will go down in history for that," says Denise Graves, 51, of Linden, Mich. "It's worth every penny. It's worth every drop of blood, as long as it is someone elses blood we had to shed."

By fighting the war overseas, says delegate Andreina Figueroa, 30, of Cutler Bay, Fla., Bush "is deterring those terrorists from being able to come and attack us. They're too busy hiding."

Others credit Bush for having a vision of a democratic Middle East and seeking to make Iraq the beachhead that would break the monopoly of autocratic governments there. "If those things actually happen, then it's going to look like a brilliant foreign policy," says Harvey Tettlebaum, 66, a delegate from Kansas City.

Still, some delegates worry that Bush focused too much on Iraq. "Instead of patrolling the streets of Baghdad, maybe we should have been patrolling the streets of Detroit," says Bob Felts, 61, of Ivor, Va. "That's going to be the nail in his coffin, just like Johnson with Vietnam."

Even as the economy sputters for the second time in Bush's presidency, stalwart Republicans like his prescriptions: tax cuts and spending restraint. SPENDING RESTRAINT??? Yet they give him better grades on the first than the second.

Without the 10-year, $1.7 trillion tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, many delegates say, the country could have been headed from a mild recession into a post-9/11 depression. The economic malaise, they say, is due more to the natural business cycle than government mismanagement.

When it comes to rising government spending and budget deficits approaching half a trillion dollars, the more conservative GOP delegates blame Bush and Congress, which for six years of his presidency was controlled mostly by Republicans.

"Bush went in with the idea to work in a bipartisan manner with both parties, and for some reason, nobody will let that happen," says Polly Granzow, 66, an Eldora, Iowa, farmer.

More moderate delegates say Bush should have been more willing to work with Congress on issues such as health care and energy costs.

Peter Spaulding of Hopkinton, N.H., who supported McCain in 2000 and chairs his New Hampshire campaign this year, wonders what happened to Bush's pledge to be a "compassionate conservative."

"I'd like to have seen more of that, rather than the intransigence,"
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"He's never disappointed us. He's never embarrassed us," Haigler says.
Never embarrassed??? What in God's name does it take to embarrass Republicans if not Bushie?

And I love the blind optimism "history will make it right".

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