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Idiot Drunken Moron Bush playing with fire with the Russians

This is without a doubt another ill-advised military adventure from President Ill-advised Military Adventure. Why are we doing to the Russians the same thing they tried to do in Cuba? This is the equivalent of them putting missile batteries in Mexico, not to mention the fact the last time they were threatened by a powerful enemy in control of Poland, they lost 25 million people. This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of, and seems only to be for the benefit of the war pig industry. Russia has not threatened Poland, at least not to the extent we need to cause a Cuban Missile Crisis in reverse, and especially in the face of this hypocritical bullshit from Bush, where he said "Russia needs to stop pursuing a policy of confrontation and isolation and its actions in Georgia have hurt its credibility among other nations." when he is doing the exact same thing as he is accusing them of doing with this confrontational provactive act that has zero benefit to the United States and is simply his payback for Polish troops in Iraq, a deal he probably made years ago:


Russia: Poland risks attack due to U.S. missiles
Infuriated Moscow issues threat in reaction to deal on interceptor base


updated 6:21 a.m. CT, Fri., Aug. 15, 2008
WARSAW, Poland - An agreement that will allow the United States to install a missile defense battery in Poland exposes the ex-communist nation to an attack, a Russian general said Friday.

Poland and the United States struck a deal on Thursday to deepen military ties and place a missile interceptor base in Poland.

Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the Russian general staff told reporters Friday that the agreement exacerbates U.S.-Russian relations that are already tense because of fighting between Georgian and Russian forces. He said the deal “cannot go unpunished.”

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And in the strongest threat Russia has issued in reaction to plans to put elements of a missile defense system in former Soviet satellite nations, the Interfax news agency quoted Nogovitsyn as saying Poland was risking attack.

“Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent,” Interfax quoted Nogovitsyn as saying.

Moscow had previously threatened to redirect missiles toward Poland if the country agreed to host elements of the missile shield.

Washington says the planned system, which is not yet operational, is needed to protect the U.S. and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed “rogue states” like Iran. The Kremlin, however, feels it is aimed at weakening Russia’s missile force.

'Mutual commitment'
On Thursday, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk — speaking in an interview televised on news channel TVN24 — said the United States had agreed to help augment Poland's defenses with Patriot missiles in exchange for placing 10 missile defense interceptors in the Eastern European country.

Tusk said the deal includes a "mutual commitment" between the two nations to come to each other's assistance "in case of trouble."

The clause appeared to be a reference to potential challenges from Russia.

The recent Russian military incursion into Georgia, along with its bombing of Georgian military outposts and airfields, has rattled former Soviet satellites in Eastern Europe.

Poland said the conflict in Georgia underlined Poland's need for U.S. military assistance if it were to cooperate on the U.S. missile defense shield.


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The United States has also reached an agreement with the Czech government to place a radar component of the shield in that country. That deal still needs approval from Czech parliament.

The Polish premier said Thursday's agreement for the countries to come to one another's defense was "a step toward real security for Poland," as it would take too long for NATO to respond if Poland were threatened.

It would take "days, weeks to start that machinery," Tusk said.

"It is not a good situation when rescue comes to dead people. We must ensure our security from the very first hours of a possible ... conflict," he said.

Tusk said the United States met the Polish demands for a permanent presence of Patriot missiles, which "will be able to effectively protect our territory."

The deal was reached after more than 18 months of back-and-forth, often terse, negotiations between the two countries.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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While I agree Bush hasn't much room to talk when it comes to the credibility issue, this issue IS different. So, tell us all, what would YOU do?

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My only guess is that some Bush/Cheney buddies stand to gain obscene profits from such a venture. You know, like in Iraq. There is certainly no reason on earth that the U.S. should be involved in the installation and deployment of missiles in Europe.

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My only guess is that some Bush/Cheney buddies stand to gain obscene profits from such a venture. You know, like in Iraq. There is certainly no reason on earth that the U.S. should be involved in the installation and deployment of missiles in Europe.
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This is an insane Cold War provacation meant to re-ignite the arms race. Daddy Bush and his Carlye Group will be very pleased, and so will George when he inherits all the money Daddy's partnership with Saudi oil fascists in the weapons industry makes.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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The Cold War never really ended for the U.S. The Soviets may have surrendered, but we just kept playing the same game, which we have been escalating in spades since his lordship Imbecile I took over in the WH. In the end, a strong Russia-China alliance will paint a bleak picture for the future of U.S.

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We should have been actively pulling missiles out of Europe since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

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Russians should do the same in Cuba or ... Venezuela.
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We should have been actively pulling missiles out of Europe since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Ron for Prez !, as Anatoly Serdyukov, the Russian Defence Minister, stated
“The principal thing to which we did not agree today is the deployment of anti-missile elements which have an anti-Russian character and which are to be placed in Europe,” he said.

We have our own Nukes if we want MAD, American missiles are not the hand of friendship that Russia wanted. This is yet another IMO massive global fuck-up by the Bush administration.
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Russians should do the same in Cuba or ... Venezuela.
There are no Russian missiles in either place.

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