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How long do we have?

This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad
thing about it, you can see it coming.

I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to
see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.

How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new
constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at
the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 y ears earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government.'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public

'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that
every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which
is always followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
following sequence:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;

2. from spiritual faith to great courage;

3. from courage to liberty;

4. from liberty to abundance;

5. from abundance to complacency;

6. from complacency to apathy;

7. from apathy to dependence;

8. from dependence back into bondage'

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2
Republicans: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican
won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great
country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government
welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between
the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already
having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years.
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did someone say bondage?
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We can not escape absolute corruption.
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According to my calculations, it went in the shitter aprox. 1913.


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Originally Posted by QBNCGAR View Post
That was a very good thread. I'll use my same answer.

Originally Posted by McBear from Jan08
I don't think the experiment has run its course. I have two divergent thoughts on my reasons.

First, we went through this same malaise in the 60's when Viet Nam was bogging down, Watts, Detroit and Newark were burning, we had seen three political assassinations in a five year period and the politics were in a similar turmoil. At the same time we saw strikes against the Steel and Auto industries, inflation that was beating up the economy and the end of the generation of politicians and business leaders that brought us through the depression, WW2 and the expansion that followed.

We dug in and got through all that. It was bumpy, there have been very bad lasting effects but we did get through that malaise.

The second thought is that we have seen the result of 20 years of failed Trickle down Economics out of the past 28. It has resulted in some VERY GOOD GROWTH in segments of the economy, but it has also separated the classes more so than any time since the Great Depression. The disparity of wealth has a way of destroying the heart and soul of a great country. When the "haves" and the "have nots" play against each other there is stress. It causes this change.

Look at the parallels to the Sixties. Boondoggle war, economy in flux, voters picking the "best of the worst" in politicians, young uprising for change, turmoil in industry, inflation rearing its head and the generation of politicians and businessmen that brought us through the malaise of the Sixties and Seventies are gone, replaced by less experienced folks that we don't yet trust.

We will get through this one too, bruised, many battered badly but we will be stronger on the other side.


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What a bunch of crock. We've been through far, far worse.
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This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time.
A way out would be to annex Canada...
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A way out would be to annex Canada...
You mean we didn't?
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