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What, now we're to base our foreign policy on the utterings of a 12 year old?
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If her teeth were straight I would say it sounds like a workable policy.


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BUSH SQUARES UP TO PUTIN...



President Bush dispatched US military hardware to the heart of the Caucasus yesterday and warned Russia that it could be frozen out of international bodies as punishment for its aggression in Georgia.

In his toughest criticism of Russia since becoming President, Mr Bush accused it of breaching the provisional ceasefire agreed with Georgia only 24 hours earlier.

He cited intelligence showing that Russian troops had again taken the town of Gori and could threaten the capital, Tbilisi. He insisted that Moscow respect the former Soviet republic’s territorial integrity. There were also reports of Russian-backed militia in South Ossetia looting ethnic Georgian villages and killing inhabitants...

Video: Bush warns Russia and announces US airlift to Georgia - Times Online

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President Bush dispatched US military hardware to the heart of the Caucasus yesterday and warned Russia that it could be frozen out of international bodies as punishment for its aggression in Georgia.

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Say no more.

She was one of those misguided fugly bucked toothed pontiffs.

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Iraq was on my mind all along while Georgia was on my mind



same shit we do over here: approval level low, then start a war, go invade some country and watch the approval rate soar.

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Why Russia’s response to Georgia was right

Why Russia’s response to Georgia was right
By Sergei Lavrov

Published: August 12 2008 19:52 | Last updated: August 12 2008 19:52

For some of those witnessing the fighting in the Caucasus over the past few days, the narrative is straightforward and easy. The plucky republic of Georgia, with just a few million citizens, was attacked by its giant eastern neighbour, Russia. Add to this all the stereotypes of the cold war era, and you are presented with a truly David and Goliath interpretation – with all its accompanying connotations of good and evil. While this version of events is being written in much of the western media, the facts present a different picture.

Let me be absolutely clear. This is not a conflict of Russia’s making; this is not a conflict of Russia’s choosing. There are no winners from this conflict. Hours before the Georgian invasion, Russia had been working to secure a United Nations Security Council statement calling for a renunciation of force by both Georgia and South Ossetians. The statement that could have averted bloodshed was blocked by western countries.

Last Friday, after the world’s leaders had arrived at the Beijing Olympics, Georgian troops launched an all-out assault on the region of South Ossetia, which has enjoyed de facto independence for more than 16 years. The majority of the region’s population are Russian citizens. Under the terms of the 1992 agreement to which Georgia is a party, they are afforded protection by a small number of Russian peacekeeping soldiers. The ground and air attack resulted in the killing of peacekeepers and the death of an estimated 1,600 civilians, creating a humanitarian disaster and leading to an exodus of 30,000 refugees. The Georgian regime refused to allow a humanitarian corridor to be established and bombarded a humanitarian convoy. There is also clear evidence of atrocities having been committed – so serious and systematic that they constitute acts of genocide.

There can be little surprise, therefore, that Russia responded to this unprovoked assault on its citizens by launching a military incursion into South Ossetia. No country in the world would idly stand by as its citizens are killed and driven from their homes. Russia repeatedly warned Tbilisi that it would protect its citizens by force if necessary, and its actions are entirely consistent with international law, including article 51 of the UN charter on the right of self-defence.

Russia has been entirely proportionate in its military response to Georgia’s attack on Russian citizens and peacekeepers. Russia’s tactical objective has been to force Georgian troops out of the region, which is off limits to them under international agreements. Despite Georgia’s assertion that it had imposed a unilateral ceasefire, Russian peacekeepers and supporting troops remained under continued attack – a fact confirmed by observers and journalists in the region. Russia had no choice but to target the military infrastructure outside the region being used to sustain the Georgian offensive. Russia’s response has been targeted, proportionate and legitimate.

Russia has been accused of using the conflict to try to topple the government and impose control over the country. This is palpable nonsense. Having established the safety of the region, the president has declared an end to military operations. Russia has no intention of annexing or occupying any part of Georgia and has again affirmed its respect for its sovereignty. Over the next few days, on the condition that Georgia refrains from military activity and keeps its forces out of the region, Russia will continue to take the diplomatic steps required to consolidate this temporary cessation of hostilities.

Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia’s president, has stated that “unless we stop Russia, unless the whole world stops it, Russian tanks will go to any European capital tomorrow”, adding on a separate occasion that “it’s not about Georgia any more. It’s about America”. It is clear that Georgia wants this dispute to become something more than a short if bloody conflict in the region. For decision-makers in the Nato countries of the west, it would be worth considering whether in future you want the men and women of your armed services to be answerable to Mr Saakashvili’s declarations of war in the Caucasus.

Russia is a member of the Security Council, of the Group of Eight leading industrialised nations and partner with the west on issues as varied as the Middle East, Iran and North Korea. In keeping with its responsibilities as a world power and the guarantor of stability in the Caucasus, Russia will work to ensure a peaceful and lasting resolution to the situation in the region.

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Georgia enjoyed only a brief period of democracy, after Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili was elected, democracy and freedom started to erode, this is one of the reason why there were a lot of objection to Georgia in joining NATO. Only Bush and company cannot seem to see this. Saakashvili, his family and mobster friends has turned Georgia into their private turf. South Ossetian wants self determinination and be part of Russian Federation, what Georgia did was against democracy.

Saakashvili is the wrong guy to support, it can be any other law abiding Georgian but not him and his gang. Supporting Georgia now means supporting Saakashvili. It should not have come to this if only Bush listened to the other NATO members.

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Georgia enjoyed only a brief period of democracy, after Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili was elected, democracy and freedom started to erode, this is one of the reason why there were a lot of objection to Georgia in joining NATO. Only Bush and company cannot seem to see this. Saakashvili, his family and mobster friends has turned Georgia into their private turf. South Ossetian wants self determinination and be part of Russian Federation, what Georgia did was against democracy.

Saakashvili is the wrong guy to support, it can be any other law abiding Georgian but not him and his gang. Supporting Georgia now means supporting Saakashvili. It should not have come to this if only Bush listened to the other NATO members.
From what I've read, I have to agree w/ you. It is really too bad it has come to this...

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Putin the Great ?

Chess is a slow game. One has to be ready to ignore provocations, lose a few pawns and turn the hubris of others into their own entrapment.

Vladimir Putin, although flawed, has already been eloquently described on this page by Michael Binyon as Russia’s best leader since Tsar Alexander II. That is a view I broadly share, but I would draw the parallel further.
Alexander II ended the feudal system in Russia by abolishing serfdom. Mr Putin is ending feudalism in a different sense. After the breakdown of communism, Russia reverted to an anarchic state of nature, reminiscent of the Dark Ages after the fall of Rome. The main political and economic activity was looting. The looters who were fastest and most ruthless enjoyed exponential accretions of wealth and power. This was the story of Russia under President Yeltsin, a quintessential “weak king” of the early Middle Ages, surrounded and controlled by all-powerful barons, known in Russia as “oligarchs”. But as the oligarchs have become more wealthy, their interests have shifted from continuing the plunder to protecting what they have. This was the transition from anarchy to order represented by Mr Putin, the historical analogy being the replacement of anarchic feudalism, where power was based purely on wealth and military violence, to the more centralised, law-governed early modern state.
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Vladimir Putin's mastery checkmates the West | Michael Binyon - Times Online
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^^^^^Putin is old guard KGB, he learned the game young, these fellas in Washington now have no idea how to play the game, Putin is in charge.............
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