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post #31 of 34 (permalink) Old 08-09-2008, 09:35 AM
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Don't like the price? Don't buy the product. Vote with your wallet.


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iPhones-Macintosh computers become apples of hackers' eyes

Security specialists said Saturday that hackers are taking increasing aim at iPhones and Macintosh computers as the hot-selling Apple devices gain popularity worldwide.

Hackers have historically focused devious efforts on computers using Windows operating systems because the Microsoft software has more than 90 percent of the global market, promising evil-doers a wealth of targets.

Macintosh computers have been gaining market share and catching the interest of hackers, according to Zero Day Initiative (ZDI) security vulnerability analyst Cameron Hotchkies.

"There are more eyes looking over Apple products for vulnerabilities," Hotchkies told AFP at a notorious annual DefCon gathering of hackers in Las Vegas.

"It has slowly been growing as a target people are more and more interested in."

Hotchkies specializes in Apple software as part of a ZDI team devoted to scrutinizing programming holes and crafting "patches" to prevent hackers from exploiting weaknesses.

More than a thousand people crammed into his DefCon talk about hacking Apple software. He was peppered with technical questions at the close of the session.

"There are a lot more people getting into it and really getting their hands dirty," said Hotchkies, who noted an obvious spike this year in the number of DefCon attendees toting Macintosh laptops.

"I've been seeing a lot of reverse engineering on the Apple platform."

Part of the reason for increased popularity of Macintosh computers is that Apple has made the machines friendlier to running programs popular on Windows-based machines.

Hackers experienced with attacking Windows programs can apply some of their know-how to software modified to run on Macintosh computers.

Developers that re-craft Windows programs for Macintosh systems might not be adept at building security components on the latest Leopard operating system used in Apple machines.

"Windows developers take their code and make it work on Apple," Hotchkies said. "They could take potential vulnerabilities with them or possibly create new ones because they are working on an entirely different platform."

Apple's Safari operating system is the basis for internet browsing using iPhones, which are basically handheld mini-computers with telephone, music, and video viewing capabilities.

It took about a month for someone to hack a first-generation iPhone after its release, but an iPhone 3G was cracked within hours of the start of sales in July.

The hack is crowned a "jail break" because it liberates iPhone models from the shackles of deals Apple has with telecom giants providing exclusive service to the devices in varying countries.

"It shows people are getting proficient at analyzing Apple software," Hotchkies said.

"There are people looking at the iPhone. We pass vulnerabilities on to vendors, and when I communicate with Apple the first thing they ask is if we've tested it on the iPhone. They don't want to be surprised."

Apple engineers are also addressing "legacy issues," protecting old software from new threats, according to Hotchkies.

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Macs are already priced well. Nobody can build a PC with comparable components for much cheaper and they sure as hell won't work as smoothly.
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I have a Mac Pro and a top line PC setting side by side, each doing their tasks. Price and quality are just about equal [each about $3K with all the goodies]. Application and application support are just about equal [PC App support is somewhat better as there are so many more folks who use the apps]. This concept that Macs are pro level and PC are behind is just bogus. Most of the difference is in who is flying the box and what you are actually doing with it.

And I have dealt with, and owned at least one Mac since LISA. But funny, even in the advertising and media business, most clients prefer PC.
There's no doubt you have a well built PC. But, you know Windows is shit, has been shit and always will be shit. The only thing bogus here is your refusal to admit Macs are better. They're MORE user friendly and are more stable. Most people prefer PC's because that's all they know. But I know both worlds, just as you do, and I don't see our Macs leaving the building with a cord wrapped around them, headed to the computer guru because they had some sort of problem due to the fact they are a cheap piece of shit running Windows with serious bugs and security flaws. And HOW many versions of Windows is there? There's only one version of OSX.
We have 7 macs at our workplace. NEVER has one had to be removed to be repaired.

I suspect with the number of high quality tech support guys Apple has gained under Job's tenure, no one will have anything to worry about if something ever happens to Jobs.

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They will have to come around when the shareholders notice the Windows based machines flying off the shelf while their product remains stagnant. Would prefer an across the board reduction but they'll probably just put out a sub par product with the Apple name.
Weeeell, they did gain Market share from less than 2.5% about 5 years ago to a respectable 8.5% now. They are switching PC users over by the millions and at this pace, they'll own over 20% of the market in the next 5 years. Their stock hasn't gone from $12.00 a share, split twice and then be at $150.00 for nothing. If their product was so stagnant, people wouldn't be switching to them.

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