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Look, JH, there is plenty of petroleum naturally in the ground in the USA in both developed and undeveloped fields, not to mention the potential of unexplored areas. Those are all conceptually a greater volume of petroleum than all of the oil we could pump into all of the structurally stable, the surface-accessible salt domes in the USA. It's a f-ing boondoggle that both parties are perpetrating on you and me, taxpayers.

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You say that but the Energy Information Administration and even the Oil Companies don't seem to agree with that concept. Most every expert seem to suggest that oil has peaked and that what oil is left is harder and harder to get.

I only see optimistic reports from Politicians, never from those who actually are required to back their data with proof.

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Now would be a great time to sell -- prices are high. Last week would've been better.

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That idea is dumb! The SPR is as important to our national security as are the B1 and B2 bombers and all of our fighter jet planes!
If our national security truly hangs on the B-2, we're even more fucked than I thought.

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Slide gauge thinking in a Digital World.

Wonder, deep in the quiet darkness of night just how often McCain realizes just how far behind the curve he is?


McCain's Tire Gauge Gambit
Submitted by Lahdee on Wed, 2008-08-06 01:23.

Despite voting against raises in the minimum wage and years of denying worker’s rights to organize John McCain struck a chord with some employees of an Ohio company recently. Following Obama’s suggestion that Americans could improve their gas mileage by having accurate tire pressure McCain decided tire gauges would be a great way to mock him as part of the “it’s the Democrats fault gas prices are high” campaign.

McCain needed tire gauges and he needed them fast. His campaign approached “Tire Gauges ‘r Us” (TGU) of Ohio with an order for 1 million. Hearing that TGU could only create 500,000 at a time the campaign said they would have McCain receive the order in person if TGU could make them within 24 hours. Inspired the workers labored long and hard and succeeded in producing 975,000 by the deadline.

A smiling TGU President Les Enmore delivered the gauges at a gala ceremony. “We didn’t make the goal, but we were damn close,” he proclaimed.
“We appreciate the effort,” said campaign spokesman Jay Walker.
“Where’s McCain?” came a cry from a worker who was quickly hustled off.
Ignoring the outburst Walker went on to conclude, “You all should be honored to work for a company like TGU.”
“Where’s our bonus?” screamed another.
“Strike!” yelled someone else as he and a group of unruly workers were removed from the area.
“We appreciate John McCain’s efforts to help small business and the workers of Ohio,” said Enmore following the ceremony, “In fact we’ll be having a job fair next week.”

Asked if he had offered the Obama campaign a deal Enmore shook his head, “No, Senator Obama uses digital gauges.”

McCain's Tire Gauge Gambit | Corrente

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Look, JH, there is plenty of petroleum naturally in the ground in the USA in both developed and undeveloped fields, not to mention the potential of unexplored areas. Those are all conceptually a greater volume of petroleum than all of the oil we could pump into all of the structurally stable, the surface-accessible salt domes in the USA. It's a f-ing boondoggle that both parties are perpetrating on you and me, taxpayers.

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No, it is the market reality. All that oil you think is there, is there, but at about $300 a barrel.

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You say that but the Energy Information Administration and even the Oil Companies don't seem to agree with that concept. Most every expert seem to suggest that oil has peaked and that what oil is left is harder and harder to get.

I only see optimistic reports from Politicians, never from those who actually are required to back their data with proof.
Easy-to-get oil has peaked. Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the US at one time had pools of oil that were shallow and easy to get. The US is gone, Saudi and Kuwait are going. The only shallow pool left will be in Iraq. The rest of the major suppliers, Russia, VZ, Iran, have oil that is by comparison, more costly to extract, while US extraction prices are at this point, astronomical. All these crack-pipe fantasies of "shale oil" and "Bakken Shale" are just that - fantasies. The product extracted is extremely low quality shit that is costly to get and to refine.

Our real solution is to get out of Fantasy Land and face the future: solar, wind, nuclear and coal, while we conserve what oil we can afford for use as lubricants and to produce plastics. Instead, we set it on fire as the right wing rants for us to burn more, more, more.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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Slide gauge thinking in a Digital World.

Wonder, deep in the quiet darkness of night just how often McCain realizes just how far behind the curve he is?


McCain's Tire Gauge Gambit
Submitted by Lahdee on Wed, 2008-08-06 01:23.

Despite voting against raises in the minimum wage and years of denying worker’s rights to organize John McCain struck a chord with some employees of an Ohio company recently. Following Obama’s suggestion that Americans could improve their gas mileage by having accurate tire pressure McCain decided tire gauges would be a great way to mock him as part of the “it’s the Democrats fault gas prices are high” campaign.

McCain needed tire gauges and he needed them fast. His campaign approached “Tire Gauges ‘r Us” (TGU) of Ohio with an order for 1 million. Hearing that TGU could only create 500,000 at a time the campaign said they would have McCain receive the order in person if TGU could make them within 24 hours. Inspired the workers labored long and hard and succeeded in producing 975,000 by the deadline.

A smiling TGU President Les Enmore delivered the gauges at a gala ceremony. “We didn’t make the goal, but we were damn close,” he proclaimed.
“We appreciate the effort,” said campaign spokesman Jay Walker.
“Where’s McCain?” came a cry from a worker who was quickly hustled off.
Ignoring the outburst Walker went on to conclude, “You all should be honored to work for a company like TGU.”
“Where’s our bonus?” screamed another.
“Strike!” yelled someone else as he and a group of unruly workers were removed from the area.
“We appreciate John McCain’s efforts to help small business and the workers of Ohio,” said Enmore following the ceremony, “In fact we’ll be having a job fair next week.”

Asked if he had offered the Obama campaign a deal Enmore shook his head, “No, Senator Obama uses digital gauges.”

McCain's Tire Gauge Gambit | Corrente
I hear the slide gauges are more accurate and reliable than the digital gauges, which depend on batteries and are influenced by temperature. Though I do use a digital pressure gauge, I much prefer a President who is going to be accurate and reliable! Don't you?

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I hear the slide gauges are more accurate and reliable than the digital gauges, which depend on batteries and are influenced by temperature. Though I do use a digital pressure gauge, I much prefer a President who is going to be accurate and reliable! Don't you?
What about the effect on fuel mileage for:
  1. Fat people - exceeding GVWR
  2. Crosswinds
  3. Driving uphill
  4. Running the A/C
  5. Too much tread depth - bald tires roll easier
  6. Atmospheric tempature - cold air is thicker
  7. Higher elevations - reduces oxygen, decreasing fuel mileage
  8. Flying the American flag - produces drag

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