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basically if they want i may kiss my laptop goodbye?
whats next? that i have to take off my shirt? oh right

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My issue is that Nazi, Facsist, etc. are thrown around way too often and with very little basis. It has become the first refuge of those without an argument or those unable to make a point. With the relentless use of the term they lose their effectivness and meaning.
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My issue is that Nazi, Facsist, etc. are thrown around way too often and with very little basis. It has become the first refuge of those without an argument or those unable to make a point. With the relentless use of the term they lose their effectivness and meaning.


Let's ask the question a different way.

Why would the illegal search or seizure of US citizens or their personal property, without probable cause, not be considered fascist Nazism?


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Under recently disclosed Department of Homeland Security policies, such seizures may be carried out without suspicion of wrongdoing, the newspaper said, quoting policies issued on July 16 by two DHS agencies.

Agents are empowered to share the contents of seized computers with other agencies and private entities for data decryption and other reasons, the newspaper said.

DHS officials said the policies applied to anyone entering the country, including U.S. citizens, and were needed to prevent terrorism.
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My issue is that Nazi, Facsist, etc. are thrown around way too often and with very little basis. It has become the first refuge of those without an argument or those unable to make a point. With the relentless use of the term they lose their effectivness and meaning.
Unfortunately it is a good comparison to some of the stuff going on with some of the search and wiretap issues and warrantless searches that we have post 9/11, much of which has nothing to do with 9/11.

One could also use either Soviet Russia or China as examples but it is so crystal clear when the comparisons are with the tactics of the SS and the parallels match [they don't always match up and the comparisons spin out of control].

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Let's ask the question a different way.

Why would the illegal search or seizure of US citizens or their personal property, without probable cause, not be considered fascist Nazism?
Facism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Nazi: a member of the National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany, which in 1933, under Adolf Hitler, seized political control of the country, suppressing all opposition and establishing a dictatorship over all cultural, economic, and political activities of the people, and promulgated belief in the supremacy of Hitler as Führer, aggressive anti-Semitism, the natural supremacy of the German people, and the establishment of Germany by superior force as a dominant world power. The party was officially abolished in 1945 at the conclusion of World War II.

So tell me how the dispicable, unwarranted potential actions of the Department of Homeland Security fit either definition.
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Adjective

fascist (comparative more fascist, superlative most fascist)

Positive
fascist


Comparative
more fascist


Superlative
most fascist

1. Of or relating to fascism.
2. Supporting the principles of fascism.
3. (informal) Considered to be unfairly oppressive or needlessly strict


fascist - Wiktionary



I think definition #3 fills the bill quite nicely, thank you. It is a fascist policy.

I'll grant you the terms are bandied about to excess, but you chose the one time the description matches the policy to throw a hissy fit.
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3. (informal) Considered to be unfairly oppressive or needlessly strict[/B]

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I have to say this is one of the shitiest definitions I have ever heard and I reject its validity.

Needlessly strict? Who determines what is needless? Unfairly opressive? By who's definition?

What a load of steaming, smelly, useless shit out of wikitionary. No wonder students are failing in school by relying only on the "wiki's".

If some dumbass brought the above definition into my class room I would smack their momma for having such a lazy, stupid, kid and give the kid the joy of summer school.

What a fucktard definition. Damn someone needs their ass beat.
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OK, let's try Merriam-Webster's.....

fascist
One entry found.

fascism


Main Entry:
fas·cism Listen to the pronunciation of fascism
Pronunciation:
\ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date:
1921

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

<early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
— fas·cist Listen to the pronunciation of fascist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·tic Listen to the pronunciation of fascistic \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly Listen to the pronunciation of fascistically \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized


I think definition #2 would describe the faulty policy in question.

Again, the policy is fascist in its nature and also its implementation....

The measures have long been in place but were only disclosed in July, under pressure from civil liberties and business travel groups acting on reports that increasing numbers of international travelers had had their laptops, cellphones and other digital devices removed and examined.


Does secretive enactment of rules and statutes favor democracy or fascism?
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Facism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power (OK, this seems more like Bush's wet dream rather than reality), forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Nazi: a member of the National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany, which in 1933, under Adolf Hitler, seized political control of the country, suppressing all opposition and establishing a dictatorship over all cultural, economic, and political activities of the people, and promulgated belief in the supremacy of Hitler as Führer, aggressive anti-Semitism, the natural supremacy of the German people, and the establishment of Germany by superior force as a dominant world power. The party was officially abolished in 1945 at the conclusion of World War II.

So tell me how the dispicable, unwarranted potential actions of the Department of Homeland Security fit either definition.
The Bush admin, while certainly not fascist (not possible without first overthrowing our government), does have a decidedly fascist bent. The radical partisanship, inappropriate and arguably unconstitutional authoritarianism, heavy lean toward corporatism, and alarming disregard for the rule of law would in all likelihood have our founding fathers rolling over in their graves. As a steadfast libertarian, my perspective on Bush is simple -- he is the anti-christ.

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