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BTW: I looked up "radical" and none of those items came up. But I can guarantee you if you want to visit Denver during the DNC you will see plenty of "radical"--fighting the police, disrupting personal and business lives, drunkenness in public, shitting and littering in parks. Might be described as "free radicals."
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His candidacy was found wanting by his own party and he was dismissed. End of story. His expensive haircuts and his 24000 sq ft mansion put the lie to his concern for the poor. Got to get over the past and get on with it,GS.
^ No nearer comprehension, I'm afraid.....

He was demonized by the media as a radical for holding political views that nearly mirrored those of Obama and Hillary, all because he was more specific and forthright about those politics. The rest of the emotional tripe you keep tossing about is not relevant to that point. You could save us all a lot of needless reading by simply declaring "Edwards is a poo-poo head, and I don't like him". I don't think much of him myself, but I won't allow emotional gobbledygook to encumber a logical point.

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That's a straw man--doesn't work here or with me.
Not a straw man. YOU said Party over Person. That declares that whoever the party that you support decides should be president, they have your vote. You made that declaration. Party over person.

So if it is McCain, Bush, Manson, Larry Craig, Jack Abramoff or Jeff Gannon were nominated, you would vote TICKET over PERSON?

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What event would that be? His bastard child is several years old.
Did you agree with the "brown baby" smear against McCain in 2000 also?

Apparently the word of the real father is not enough for you?

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I'm not getting drawn into debating Charles Manson's political activities. You have to be the only one in the country these days that thinks the GOP is full of radicals, let alone Mansons.
You know, if you go to Wits End or Comedy Works in Denver you might get that act on stage for the Democratic Convention.

I would think a twenty minute set of explaining how the NeoCons are NOT radical to the political norm would have them in the floor.

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What I find as NOT SURPRISING is that the McCain smear attempt appeared immediately on the front page of the NYT and the Washington Post, but the Edwards baby has been somehow missed by the major media outlets for more that two weeks...

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Not a straw man. YOU said Party over Person. That declares that whoever the party that you support decides should be president, they have your vote. You made that declaration. Party over person.

So if it is McCain, Bush, Manson, Larry Craig, Jack Abramoff or Jeff Gannon were nominated, you would vote TICKET over PERSON?
Party trumps person means that if one votes party line, top to bottom on the ballot, that he increases the probability of party influence in governing. It also acknowledges that many governmental activities are controlled by party, not person, e.g. speakership, committee control, judge confirmations, etc. The presidential candidate, especially the liberals, will always win the auction for desireable outcomes, so straight party line voting helps to mitigate the temptation to vote for who promises more, for those of us who can see beyond the election.

You named 5 people who will never appear on a presidential ballot and qualified your nominations with the impossible condition "if...nominated" in bold above. That is the quintessential definition of a straw man argument. There are some people on BWOT you could fool, but not all of us.

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^ No nearer comprehension, I'm afraid.....

He was demonized by the media as a radical for holding political views that nearly mirrored those of Obama and Hillary, all because he was more specific and forthright about those politics. The rest of the emotional tripe you keep tossing about is not relevant to that point. You could save us all a lot of needless reading by simply declaring "Edwards is a poo-poo head, and I don't like him". I don't think much of him myself, but I won't allow emotional gobbledygook to encumber a logical point.
I did not make a statement about how felt about Edwards; my comments were analytical.

My point to you is get out of the past. You're sniveling like a jilted teenager.

If you want to discuss radicals, then figure out what all the following folks have in common and vote according to your good judgment.

Rev Jeremiah Wright
William Ayers
Saul Alinsky
Stokely Carmichael
Louis Farrakhan
Nadmi Auchi
Frank Marshall Davis
Raila Odinga
Mayhill Fowler
Huey Newton
Jerry Kellman
Father Pfleger

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What I find as NOT SURPRISING is that the McCain smear attempt appeared immediately on the front page of the NYT and the Washington Post, but the Edwards baby has been somehow missed by the major media outlets for more that two weeks...
What news have you been watching? I have seen it on damned near every channel.

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Party trumps person means that if one votes party line, top to bottom on the ballot, that he increases the probability of party influence in governing. It also acknowledges that many governmental activities are controlled by party, not person, e.g. speakership, committee control, judge confirmations, etc. The presidential candidate, especially the liberals, will always win the auction for desireable outcomes, so straight party line voting helps to mitigate the temptation to vote for who promises more, for those of us who can see beyond the election.

You named 5 people who will never appear on a presidential ballot and qualified your nominations with the impossible condition "if...nominated" in bold above. That is the quintessential definition of a straw man argument. There are some people on BWOT you could fool, but not all of us.
Then let's go with Ron Paul or Larry Craig or Bob Barr or Pat Robertson. all contemporary Republicans.

Just 32 years ago Republicans would have laughed their Asses off if you had given them a synopsis of George W Bush's presidential record and said he would be the Republican standard bearer in just 24 years.

So, no, it is not the quintessential strawman. As conditions change, the fluidity of politics tells us that ANYONE can be nominated for President. Even a privileged, C-, former alcoholic, cokehead who was never successful in any business and destroyed his own state's treasury.

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