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McCain has given up and is assuming the role of sports announcer instead of being a player. But a senile one, like Harry Caray. He knows Obama is somehow the issue but can't figure out what it is about Obama that is the issue. In his confusion he just strikes out and flails at anything Obama does. Twit. Jim
His allies at Fox News are doing the same thing.

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I wasn't aware that Bill and Hillary Clinton, and thousands of other democRATS, were McCain surrogates and proxies... WOW! McCain should win big!!!
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Obama is spot on. You and McCain are scared shitless of a Black man running the country and doing a better job of it than white trash that has been in there for the last 7 years.

Yeah, that must be it. 'Cause Obama's done such a bang-up job running whatever he's been running for the past 7 years. Oh, wait...

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Let's try another sports analogy for you All American white boys.

Barack Hussein Obama is on the verge of accomplishing the equivalent to the first Black players to enter the game of professional baseball or basketball at the big league level. Whites at first just refused to let them play because they were Black,
Big problem with your analogy. The first black professional sports players were very talanted. Barack is an empty suit. He may make us popular in Europe but will take the country in the wrong direction.

Before you all try and read too much into the wrong direction comment I am not saying we are heading in the right direction but two wrongs do not make a right.
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Obama is spot on. You and McCain are scared shitless of a Black man running the country and doing a better job of it than white trash that has been in there for the last 7 years. The seat of power is being shared, and you are afraid it will never get back into your hands.
Jim there you go playing the race card again, and again, and again. Nothing but a broken record.

People can disagree with obama and not be racist. Just because people take issues with his politics, stances, words, etc. does not mean it has anything to do with his color.

Believe it or not but not everything in this country revolves around race.
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Big problem with your analogy. The first black professional sports players were very talanted.


I'll bet Barack can spell talented. And use spell check.
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Big problem with your analogy. The first black professional sports players were very talanted. Barack is an empty suit. He may make us popular in Europe but will take the country in the wrong direction.

Before you all try and read too much into the wrong direction comment I am not saying we are heading in the right direction but two wrongs do not make a right.
But do three rights make a left?

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Big problem with your analogy. The first black professional sports players were very talanted. Barack is an empty suit. He may make us popular in Europe but will take the country in the wrong direction.

Before you all try and read too much into the wrong direction comment I am not saying we are heading in the right direction but two wrongs do not make a right.
Unfortunately your empty suit declaration is little more than your opinion without any facts or logic. A mere blurted phrase, unsupported.

Look at Obama's education, for example, and then his competition in this race. Tell me how much more or less filled the suit is with McCain's bottom of the class education.

Look at Obama's campaign to date. He overcame the Clinton machine, and he is the only candidate actually offering a look at what his goals and plans for America are. The other candidate is won his party's nomination beating the likes of Huckabee (who likely would make a better President than the actual nominee), Romney and Guiliani. It was more of a win by default instead of a political campaign that demonstrated leadership and skills gathering supporters. And then look at what he spends your contributions, oops, the corporate lobbyists contributions, on - amusing, to some perhaps, childish antics trying to down play his opponent's success. Nothing about what McCain has in store for us.

There was a time when McCain filled a suit to some extent. Now, he is a hollow representation of the man he was in 2000. When he is campaigning his approach is less like that of a contestant in the competition and more like an announcer in the booth watching. Only a senile one like Harry Caray. He is confused on his geography, timelines and anything specific about anything.

It is also very peculiar that you find the fact that a candidate for President of the United States who is enthusiastically held in high esteem by Europeans and other nations around the globe somehow bad for America. Another emotional reaction that is unsupported by any logic or fact. When has that ever been a negative for the US and why? Cite some examples.

The empty suit perception is hardly, by itself and without any context much more than another Karl Rovian bumper sticker sound bite. Tell us what you think belongs in the suit that is missing in terms of a candidate for the POTUS. And tell us how you think each candidate measures up to your standard. And then how you pick because neither will fill the suit, the filling they have won't be the same stuff. Include things that amount to filling the suit with detrimental baggage, like McCain's seething anger that routinely breaks through.

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Jim there you go playing the race card again, and again, and again. Nothing but a broken record.

People can disagree with obama and not be racist. Just because people take issues with his politics, stances, words, etc. does not mean it has anything to do with his color.

Believe it or not but not everything in this country revolves around race.
It is context 430. Context.

The article that was quoting Obama has a context. The context of "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills" is clear when there is a significant number of people who think Obama is a Muslim, that his name has something to do with his allegiance to extremist Islamics instead of America, and yes, that he is too thin, or not old enough or white enough.

Your experience "card" is another nice sounding card that has little validation in history. How many Presidents have we had who were elected for the first time and had what anyone would consider "prerequisite experience" to be President? How about we list the characteristics that should be prerequisites and then have them included in the Constitution by Amendment? What are they?

When you cite unspecified, unqualified and unjustified bullshit like "experience" in the case for Obama, it is clear you mean his race does not have the experience since there is no other way he is specifically disqualified based on actual experience. Or, are you suggesting Bush was not qualified because he didn't get shot down over Vietnam too? How is it that Bush's "experience" was better than McCain's experience in 2000? Has the last 7 plus years borne that theory out?

See, black athletes were reluctantly accepted into professional sports over time, and it has only been in the last decade or so that a black athlete could be considered for the position of quarterback. Why? Oh yeah those quarterbacks have to be real smart and show leadership......oh, wait, that sounds racist........oh yeah, they don't have the experience. Yeah, that's the ticket. Like the kid in PeeWee league has experience the black kid on the team doesn't.....

If you really want to defend your lack of racial bias in this discussion, you can't use undefined catch phrases for denegrating Obama's skillset that you don't define McCain's immunity to the same disease. The term "experience" is the same old same old revolting "niggers can't be President" logic that someone has tried to dress up for prime time. Define it, make it a yardstick, and measure each candidate with the same yardstick. Just make sure you include in the yardstick "units" for measuring things like being unable to recall details of anything. Or having an uncontrolled temper. Or being unable to keep pace and on message. Or staying true to what you built your reputation on, things like actually supporting the troops and actually voting to end American involvement in torturing captured enemy personnel.

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Unfortunately your empty suit declaration is little more than your opinion without any facts or logic. A mere blurted phrase, unsupported.

Look at Obama's education, for example, and then his competition in this race. Tell me how much more or less filled the suit is with McCain's bottom of the class education.

Look at Obama's campaign to date. He overcame the Clinton machine, and he is the only candidate actually offering a look at what his goals and plans for America are. The other candidate is won his party's nomination beating the likes of Huckabee (who likely would make a better President than the actual nominee), Romney and Guiliani. It was more of a win by default instead of a political campaign that demonstrated leadership and skills gathering supporters. And then look at what he spends your contributions, oops, the corporate lobbyists contributions, on - amusing, to some perhaps, childish antics trying to down play his opponent's success. Nothing about what McCain has in store for us.

There was a time when McCain filled a suit to some extent. Now, he is a hollow representation of the man he was in 2000. When he is campaigning his approach is less like that of a contestant in the competition and more like an announcer in the booth watching. Only a senile one like Harry Caray. He is confused on his geography, timelines and anything specific about anything.

It is also very peculiar that you find the fact that a candidate for President of the United States who is enthusiastically held in high esteem by Europeans and other nations around the globe somehow bad for America. Another emotional reaction that is unsupported by any logic or fact. When has that ever been a negative for the US and why? Cite some examples.

The empty suit perception is hardly, by itself and without any context much more than another Karl Rovian bumper sticker sound bite. Tell us what you think belongs in the suit that is missing in terms of a candidate for the POTUS. And tell us how you think each candidate measures up to your standard. And then how you pick because neither will fill the suit, the filling they have won't be the same stuff. Include things that amount to filling the suit with detrimental baggage, like McCain's seething anger that routinely breaks through.

Jim
I pretty much agree with all of this. "Empty suit" is a Rovian sound bite I've heard more times than I can count. Then I hear words like "unqualified" and "inexperienced" tossed about with reckless abandon. These words have little meaning when it comes to the task at hand. Obama strikes me as much his own man as any party whore who has reached this level, and he demonstrates skills that I find important and presidential -- skills and abilities that one GW Bush is entirely lacking, btw. OTOH, McCain is far less a "maverick" than he used to be, and his status as maverick is, above all else, what he and his AZ constituency admire.

My kneejerk reaction to each candidate is this:

Obama: citizen of the world
McCain: citizen of America

I believe that Obama is likely to steer America in an unfavorable direction in regard to domestic policy. I believe that McCain is likely to steer America in an unfavorable direction in regard to foreign policy. And although either candidate is a vast improvement over our incumbent, neither will garner my vote.

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