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THE IRAQ WE'D HAVE IF WE'D HEEDED OBAMA

THE IRAQ WE'D HAVE IF WE'D HEEDED OBAMA
By BOB OWENS


July 23, 2008 --
Barack Obama is enjoying a popular jaunt through the Middle East, but if America had heeded his judgment over the last five years, the fawning stories that have followed him this trip might be quite different.

Imagine:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama overflew the Iraqi cities of Baghdad and Najaf Monday, where the mass graves for an estimated 240,000 victims of sectarian violence killed since 2007 were visible even from an altitude.

Sen. Obama was on his way to meet with American soldiers completing the US withdrawal from Iraq in Kuwaiti ports. Miles away, Iranian and Saudi delegations were meeting in an emergency summit in Kuwait City in an effort to keep the Iraqi civil war from boiling over into open regional conflict. Both sides have accused the other of providing advanced weaponry and training, while faulting American leaders for the bloody collapse of the Iraqi state.

Fortunately, of course, none of that happened.

Obama was in Baghdad on Monday for one reason and one reason only: President Bush wisely ignored the senator's repeated calls to abandon the Iraqi people and instead listened to advice to change commanders, strategy and tactics in Iraq. The resulting counterinsur- gency doctrine and a surge of American forces into Iraq coincided with a popular Sunni revolt against the al Qaeda-led insurgency known as the Awakening movement, which was followed by the fracturing of the Shiite Mahdi Army and other militant groups.

If we'd listened to Obama in 2002, Saddam Hussein (or his murderous son Qusay) would still be brutally repressing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shiites and Kurds - and some of the world's most accomplished terrorists (such as Abu Abbas, 1993 WTC bomber Abdul Rahman Yasin and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi) would still call Iraq home. I doubt Obama would be flying to Baghdad.

If we'd listened to him in 2005-2006, when things were at their worst, then the nightmare scenario might well be playing out: an open Iraqi civil war, verging on a wider regional war, with Saudi Arabia and Iran backing different sides in Iraq. I doubt Obama would be flying to Baghdad.

So, by all means let the journalists of The New York Times paint his visit as an accomplishment of some sort.

Just keep in mind that if we'd followed the novice senator's judgment at any point during his career, Iraq could've been too dangerous a place for his flight to even consider touching down.

Bob Owens blogs at Confederate Yankee, from which this is adapted, and writes for Pajamas Media.


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Brilliant article. The title tell the whole story really --> "THE IRAQ WE'D HAVE IF WE'D HEEDED OBAMA". Is Iraq the 51st state? Why do WE HAVE IRAQ at all? Iraq isn't mine, I don't want it. Had we not invaded, Iraq would be as it was, probably still under our thumb, the Mideast would not be destabilized, Iran would not be seeking nuclear power, oil would be far cheaper than it is, the dollar would not have so thoroughly devalued, Afghanistan would be a far friendlier place, Bin Laden may have been captured or killed, the Katrina disaster would have been more effectively dealt with, the list goes on......

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Brilliant article. The title tell the whole story really --> "THE IRAQ WE'D HAVE IF WE'D HEEDED OBAMA". Is Iraq the 51st state? Why do WE HAVE IRAQ at all? Iraq isn't mine, I don't want it. Had we not invaded, Iraq would be as it was, probably still under our thumb, the Mideast would not be destabilized, Iran would not be seeking nuclear power, oil would be far cheaper than it is, the dollar would not have so thoroughly devalued, Afghanistan would be a far friendlier place, Bin Laden may have been captured or killed, the Katrina disaster would have been more effectively dealt with, the list goes on......
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Had we not invaded, Iraq would be as it was, probably still under our thumb, the Mideast would not be destabilized, Iran would not be seeking nuclear power, oil would be far cheaper than it is, the dollar would not have so thoroughly devalued, Afghanistan would be a far friendlier place, Bin Laden may have been captured or killed, the Katrina disaster would have been more effectively dealt with, the list goes on......
How dare you inject truth into one of pcunningham's propaganda rants? That's just bad manners, GS. Please be quiet.
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How dare you inject truth into one of pcunningham's propaganda rants? That's just bad manners, GS. Please be quiet.
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Brilliant article. The title tell the whole story really --> "THE IRAQ WE'D HAVE IF WE'D HEEDED OBAMA". Is Iraq the 51st state? Why do WE HAVE IRAQ at all? Iraq isn't mine, I don't want it. Had we not invaded, Iraq would be as it was, probably still under our thumb, the Mideast would not be destabilized, Iran would not be seeking nuclear power, oil would be far cheaper than it is, the dollar would not have so thoroughly devalued, Afghanistan would be a far friendlier place, Bin Laden may have been captured or killed, the Katrina disaster would have been more effectively dealt with, the list goes on......
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Flaw in your little story. The sectarian violence and civil war would not have existed if it hadn't been for Bushie.

But then coming from the New York Post, paper version of FauxNews, what else can we expect.

Nice try but a big fail. Maybe another "batboy" story will come along soon for them to get their groove back.

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Flaw in your little story. The sectarian violence and civil war would not have existed if it hadn't been for Bushie.

But then coming from the New York Post, paper version of FauxNews, what else can we expect.

Nice try but a big fail. Maybe another "batboy" story will come along soon for them to get their groove back.
This is just mean, McBear. He already told you that the truth was hurting his feelings. Where are your manners? You should just back off with all that truth. We don't want to hurt his feelings any more.
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Flaw in your little story. The sectarian violence and civil war would not have existed if it hadn't been for Bushie.

But then coming from the New York Post, paper version of FauxNews, what else can we expect.

Nice try but a big fail. Maybe another "batboy" story will come along soon for them to get their groove back.
Well the war was voted for by congress, and your girl Hillary. And had they not voted for it, the bad guys may have even found you by this time.

Oh and so sorry, you only read the NYT's......"all the news they think is fit to print" .....as long as it fits the left wing agenda!







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