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The New Reality in Iraq

As I have been saying for a few years now, victory in Iraq means an opportunity to contain Iran and stabilize the Mideast--and today's WSJ editorial seems to agree...

"All of the most important objectives of the surge have been accomplished in Iraq. The sectarian civil war is ended; al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) has been dealt a devastating blow; and the Sadrist militia and other Iranian-backed militant groups have been disrupted.

Meanwhile, the Iraqi government has accomplished almost all of the legislative benchmarks set by the U.S. Congress and the Bush administration. More important, it is gaining wider legitimacy among the population. The attention of Iraqis across the country is focused on the upcoming provincial elections, which will be a pivotal moment in Iraq's development.

The result is that we have an extraordinary – but fleeting – opportunity to advance America's security and the stability of a vital region of the world.

As far as the civil war is concerned, there have been virtually no sectarian killings recorded for the past 10 weeks. Violence is still perpetrated by organized groups, but AQI, the remnant Sunni insurgents and Shiite fighters are now focused on attacking their own members who have defected to our side. This is a measure of their weakness. The Iraqi population is increasingly mobilizing against the perpetrators of violence, flooding American and Iraqi forces with tips about the locations of weapons caches and key militant leaders – Sunnis turning in Sunnis and Shia turning in Shia.

The fighters have not simply hidden their weapons and gone to ground to await the next opportunity to kill each other. The Sunni insurgency, as well as AQI, has been severely disrupted. Coalition and Iraqi forces have killed or detained many key leaders, driven the militants out of every one of Iraq's major cities (including Mosul), and are pursuing the remnants vigorously in rural areas and the desert.

The Shiite militias have also been broken apart, sending thousands of their leaders scurrying for safety in Iran. Iraqi forces continue to hammer Iranian-backed Special Groups and elements of the Sadrist Jaysh al Mahdi that have been fighting with them in Sadr City, Maysan Province and elsewhere. At this time, none of these networks can conduct operations that could seriously destabilize the Iraqi government. But both al Qaeda and the Iranians are working hard to refit their networks...

...It is time for Americans to recognize it's a whole new ballgame in Iraq. The civil war is over, American troops are not an "irritant" fueling the unrest, and far from becoming dependent upon us, the Iraqi government and the army show more determination every day to run their country and to protect it. But they continue to want and need our assistance.

While victory in war is never certain until the war is over, the odds are strongly with us for once – provided we do the right thing. That is to stand by our best ally in the war against al Qaeda, and the struggle to contain Iran.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1216...n_commentaries

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you reallydon't get it do you numbnuts, once the US departs the place will be under control of Iran within 6 months. It does not matter when the US pulls out, tomorrow or 6 months from now the outcome is the same.
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you reallydon't get it do you numbnuts, once the US departs the place will be under control of Iran within 6 months. It does not matter when the US pulls out, tomorrow or 6 months from now the outcome is the same.
Wow! Omniscience!

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What a surprise, an editorial from the American Enterprise Institute that says the Surge worked. And apparently the civil war [which it previously said did not exist] is over.

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As far as the civil war is concerned, there have been virtually no sectarian killings recorded for the past 10 weeks.
I suppose it depends on your definition of "virtually" or "10 Weeks"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/wo...st/27iraq.html

This "commentary" would be like someone on the left posting up an article from Greenpeace's staff suggesting that Bush failed the environment [which hasn't been done, I checked before typing]

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Jay, apparently you have no idea how things work over there or anywhere else for that matter. There is no victory, no reality. Just shit load of people getting killed daily. Most go un-reported. Look at Afghanistan!!! Here is a live example you can learn from, numb nuts.

As I have been saying for the last few years, you are nothing but a fucking idiot.

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There is no victory, no reality. Just shit load of people getting killed daily.
Isn't that a victory all its own?
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Isn't that a victory all its own?
Only if you believe in genocide, or should I be more politically correct, population control?

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It's not like they're human. We're just culling the herd.

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It's not like they're human. We're just culling the herd.
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Wow! Omniscience!
If you look at my past posts I have said this going back 18 months but I was pro staying there, the US cannot afford it nor do the overall population of the US want it.

So why don't you shit or get off the pot, Bot. What do YOU want, should the US:

1. Pull out tomorrow
2. 1 yr from now
3. 20 yrs from now
4. 50 yrs from now
5. 100 yrs from now
6. Annex Iraq, 51st State and all that.............
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