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IRAQ MAY SET TIMETABLE FOR U.S. TROOP WITHDRAWAL

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki raised the prospect on Monday of setting a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops as part of negotiations over a new security agreement with Washington.

It was the first time the U.S.-backed Shi'ite-led government has floated the idea of a timetable for the removal of American forces from Iraq. The Bush administration has always opposed such a move, saying it would give militant groups an advantage.

The security deal under negotiation will replace a U.N. mandate for the presence of U.S. troops that expires on December 31.

"Today, we are looking at the necessity of terminating the foreign presence on Iraqi lands and restoring full sovereignty," Maliki told Arab ambassadors in blunt remarks during an official visit to Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates.

Iraq says may agree timetable for U.S. withdrawal | Reuters

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PAPER: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda...

American and Iraqi forces are driving Al-Qaeda in Iraq out of its last redoubt in the north of the country in the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror.

After being forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the past two years, Al-Qaeda’s dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant “last stand” in the northern city of Mosul.

A huge operation to crush the 1,200 fighters who remained from a terrorist force once estimated at more than 12,000 began on May 10.

Operation Lion’s Roar, in which the Iraqi army combined forces with the Americans’ 3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, has already resulted in the death of Abu Khalaf, the Al-Qaeda leader, and the capture of more than 1,000 suspects...

Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda - Times Online

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This didn't look like your typical drivel, so I decided to read the messages. Again, if Iraq finds a pair of balls and actually begins to ACT like this sovereign nation it supposedly was (vis-a-vis kicking us the fuck out of there), it solves a big problem for both Obama and McCain. With this off the table, Obama will have a far more difficult time convincing centrists that he's a better option than McCain, since he's basically a male version of Hillary in every other regard but his original position on Iraq.
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This report came out of Iraq today from Central Command. Why was this not on Fox? Were there just too many car chases to get to real news?

And yes, this is good news. It's about time.


July 7th, 2008
Admiral says security in Iraq improving
Posted: 07:28 PM ET

From Pentagon Producer Mike Mount

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Iraq is making positive steps forward in security and stability, according to an assessment by the U.S. military’s highest ranking officer.

Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Adm. Michael Mullen said violence was down to its lowest point in four years and a decision whether to draw down the number of non-surge troops would come later in the year if stability continued.

Mullen is on a four-day tour of Iraq. He spoke with reporters in Bagdhad’s “Green Zone” after meeting with U.S. troops on Monday. He is visiting commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and is traveling with a USO tour to numerous bases around the country.

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This didn't look like your typical drivel, so I decided to read the messages. Again, if Iraq finds a pair of balls and actually begins to ACT like this sovereign nation it supposedly was (vis-a-vis kicking us the fuck out of there), it solves a big problem for both Obama and McCain. With this off the table, Obama will have a far more difficult time convincing centrists that he's a better option than McCain, since he's basically a male version of Hillary in every other regard but his original position on Iraq.
The forces agreement is going to be a difficult nut to crack. On the one hand everybody in the USA and Iraq wants coalition forces out of Iraq. OTOH, nobody wants Iraq to return to a sectarian bloodbath with Al Qaeda in ascendancy. The best possible outcome would be a short-term agreement and the majority (or at least, a large cohesive minority) of Iraq's politicians to finally put their national interest ahead of their tribal and sectarian interests.

I'm betting a renewable 5-year agreement with large (but gradually declining) coalition forces increasingly playing a garrisoned role and Iraqi's increasingly active, only calling on coalition forces when critical issues are afoot -- sort of like a SWAT. I'll bet Barak Hussein Obama will suggest a variation of that within 2 weeks.

We'll see.

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The forces agreement is going to be a difficult nut to crack. On the one hand everybody in the USA and Iraq wants coalition forces out of Iraq. OTOH, nobody wants Iraq to return to a sectarian bloodbath with Al Qaeda in ascendancy. The best possible outcome would be a short-term agreement and the majority (or at least, a large cohesive minority) of Iraq's politicians to finally put their national interest ahead of their tribal and sectarian interests.

I'm betting a renewable 5-year agreement with large (but gradually declining) coalition forces increasingly playing a garrisoned role and Iraqi's increasingly active, only calling on coalition forces when critical issues are afoot -- sort of like a SWAT. I'll bet Barak Hussein Obama will suggest a variation of that within 2 weeks.

We'll see.

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So, Bot, given your scenario which seems reasonable, how will this play out in the election? There is a difference in WHO pushes the timeline for withdrawal, isn't there?

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So, Bot, given your scenario which seems reasonable, how will this play out in the election? There is a difference in WHO pushes the timeline for withdrawal, isn't there?
If the Iraqi's push for a time table it will relieve pressure on both parties' nominees -- each will claim vindication in that event. Barak Hussein Obama will say we should have insisted on that 2 years ago and Flounder will say it was only possible because Bush followed his advice on the surge. Voters will decide which truth to believe.

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When Iraq HAS to do to make their country more secure, the more they'll be willing to do to see that it happens. As long as we're holding their hand, they'll not take the initiative to better themselves. We should begin a pullout, now.

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When Iraq HAS to do to make their country more secure, the more they'll be willing to do to see that it happens. As long as we're holding their hand, they'll not take the initiative to better themselves. We should begin a pullout, now.
Your dad should have "begun a pullour" a long time ago...

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