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Irrelevant and old. The 550 tons of yellowcake was known before the Gulf War. My question to GS, still unanswered, is why did Saddam have it?
Since you apparently don't understand that Google thing, I looked it up for you.

Yellowcake removed from Iraq nuclear site
By Alissa J. Rubin and Campbell Robertson
Published: July 7, 2008


American and Iraqi officials have completed nearly the last chapter in dismantling Saddam Hussein's nuclear program with the removal of hundreds of tons of natural uranium from the country's main nuclear site.

The uranium, which was removed several weeks ago, arrived in Canada over the weekend, according to officials. The removal was first reported by The Associated Press.

Although the material could not be used in its current form for a nuclear weapon or even a so-called dirty bomb, officials decided that in Iraq's unstable environment, it was important to make sure that it did not fall into the wrong hands.

There are also health dangers associated with concentrated forms of natural uranium.

American military personnel helped move about 600 tons of uranium in the form called yellowcake. It had been stored at Tuwaitha, an installation south of Baghdad that had been the site of Iraq's nuclear program.

Cameco, a Canadian company that produces uranium and sells it around the world, bought the material, according to foreign officials knowledgeable about the transaction.

"The Iraqi government requested our help; we helped them," said Leslie Phillips, a spokeswoman for the American Embassy in Baghdad. "It was their decision and we were happy to assist, at their request. This is a good example of Iraqis working with international companies to get done what they want to get done."

There has been a continuing international effort to remove nuclear material from countries that are no longer using it. The International Atomic Energy Agency has helped a number of countries, including Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania, get rid of highly enriched uranium and spent nuclear fuel.

The yellowcake removed from Iraq - which was not the same yellowcake that President George W. Bush claimed, in a now discredited section of his 2003 State of the Union address, that Saddam was trying to purchase in Africa - could be used in an early stage of the nuclear fuel cycle. Only after intensive processing would it become low-enriched uranium, which could fuel reactors producing power. Highly enriched uranium can be used in nuclear bombs.

The only neighboring country known to have the technology to process yellowcake is Iran, but Iran has its own stores of the uranium. A State Department official said there had been no indication that Iran was seeking the material or was interested in using it.

This was not the first time that the United States had intervened to remove potentially harmful nuclear material from Iraq. Just a few days before the Americans formally transferred sovereignty back to Iraq in June 2004, they removed 1.8 tons of low-enriched uranium, as well as other radioactive sources, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency. The material was taken to the United States.

The vast Tuwaitha site has been bombed repeatedly since 1981, when Israeli warplanes destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor there before it could be used to make weapons-grade uranium. American warplanes bombed the site in 1991 during the first Gulf War.

After the American invasion in 2003, Tuwaitha was looted. Barrels used to store the yellowcake were stolen and sold to local people, who used them to store water and food and to wash clothes, according to a report by the atomic energy agency.

Most of the barrels have been recovered, but there is still concern that people might become ill by ingesting food or water stored in the barrels and from contamination in the area around Tuwaitha, where more than 1,000 people live, according to the atomic energy agency.

Yellowcake removed from Iraq nuclear site - International Herald Tribune

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Are you talking about the Yellowcake thing or 1991 to present?

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yep, it's what they do best, convolute the facts into fiction than ride a high horse
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Since you apparently don't understand that Google thing, I looked it up for you.



The yellowcake removed from Iraq - which was not the same yellowcake that President George W. Bush claimed, in a now discredited section of his 2003 State of the Union address, that Saddam was trying to purchase in Africa - could be used in an early stage of the nuclear fuel cycle. Only after intensive processing would it become low-enriched uranium, which could fuel reactors producing power. Highly enriched uranium can be used in nuclear bombs.



This was not the first time that the United States had intervened to remove potentially harmful nuclear material from Iraq. Just a few days before the Americans formally transferred sovereignty back to Iraq in June 2004, they removed 1.8 tons of low-enriched uranium, as well as other radioactive sources, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency. The material was taken to the United States.

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That's a good google that I had read several days ago.

My follow-up question: reading your bold in the first long paragraph, it's clear that yellowcake takes "intensive processing to become low-enriched uranium."

In the next paragraph of the same piece, note that before June of 2004, the US removed 1.8 tons of low-enriched uranium from Iraq. Maybe I'm missing something. Someone in Iraq before shock and awe was processing yellowcake--enough to make 1.8 tons of low-enriched uranium. They had the equipment, the technology and the skills. The next step is, of course, weapons grade.

What do you make of that? Why had they made enriched uranium from the yellowcake?

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That's a good google that I had read several days ago.

My follow-up question: reading your bold in the first long paragraph, it's clear that yellowcake takes "intensive processing to become low-enriched uranium."

In the next paragraph of the same piece, note that before June of 2004, the US removed 1.8 tons of low-enriched uranium from Iraq. Maybe I'm missing something. Someone in Iraq before shock and awe was processing yellowcake--enough to make 1.8 tons of low-enriched uranium. They had the equipment, the technology and the skills. The next step is, of course, weapons grade.

What do you make of that? Why had they made enriched uranium from the yellowcake?
Well, the French and Germans were selling them equipment to make Nuclear Power Plants so it looks to me like they might have been making juice for their plants.

OR, they might have been trying to become part of the ever expanding Nuclear Community. Though doing so with the materials they had would not have done the job so well. "The next step" is not quite so simple.

Either way, while Saddam was a shit to his people, he had never been a threat to the US in any shape form or fashion. His only interaction was after he invaded Kuwait. He accepted his punishment for that transgression like a big boy and followed the rules.

Only when we started pushing timelines did he balk. And they were not even tactical issues. The UN had already verified the whereabouts of everything. We simply did not want to believe that information and blew it off. We fabricated the push to war. Nothing in that prewar runup was of the level to start a war. There were 20 steps in line to do prior to any military actions. We ignored them and the advise of the world community.

WE are the ones that pushed the Iraq War, not Saddam. He was simply the third world dictator that refused to kiss our ass at the wrong time.

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Well, the French and Germans were selling them equipment to make Nuclear Power Plants so it looks to me like they might have been making juice for their plants.

OR, they might have been trying to become part of the ever expanding Nuclear Community. Though doing so with the materials they had would not have done the job so well. "The next step" is not quite so simple.

Either way, while Saddam was a shit to his people, he had never been a threat to the US in any shape form or fashion. His only interaction was after he invaded Kuwait. He accepted his punishment for that transgression like a big boy and followed the rules.

Only when we started pushing timelines did he balk. And they were not even tactical issues. The UN had already verified the whereabouts of everything. We simply did not want to believe that information and blew it off. We fabricated the push to war. Nothing in that prewar runup was of the level to start a war. There were 20 steps in line to do prior to any military actions. We ignored them and the advise of the world community.

WE are the ones that pushed the Iraq War, not Saddam. He was simply the third world dictator that refused to kiss our ass at the wrong time.
I enjoy how hard it is for you BWOT libs to choke out the word, "bomb". GS covers his answer with, "I don't know and I don't care". You give us this euphemistic,"Maybe they were trying to join the ever expanding Nuclear community." You all need a tap-dancing smilie to add to your posts.

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