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This great Nation of ours was founded on religion.
Bullshit.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Not sure (do you know?) but religion/church is mentioned in our constitution?
The word God is never mentioned and the only mentions of religion is in banning it from government and banning it as a test of office. Even Jefferson's 'Creator' was a nebulous, neutral deity that could as much as been Darwin's Slime or The God of Moses.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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^ Why is that?

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In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Declaration of Independence did not found the United States, it stated that the united States of America, which they considered to be a group of independent countries amalgamated for a common interest, was severing it's bonds with England, and as a document of civil war it is not unusual that it would invoke God. The United States of America, on the other hand, was founded by the ratification of the US Constitution, which as stated above, never mentions God and only mentions religion in clauses prohibiting it from government.

This is why right wing nut jobs should never be allowed power ever again in this country, you people are so ignorant you don't know the difference between the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, so it is easy for demogogue fascist politicians to take you people for the chumps you are.

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^ Why is that?
What's the problem, you drop out of fucking high school?

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The Declaration of Independence did not found the United States, it stated that the united States of America, which they considered to be a group of independent countries amalgamated for a common interest, was severing it's bonds with England, and as a document of civil war it is not unusual that it would invoke God. The United States of America, on the other hand, was founded by the ratification of the US Constitution, which as stated above, never mentions God and only mentions religion in clauses prohibiting it from government.

This is why right wing nut jobs should never be allowed power ever again in this country, you people are so ignorant you don't know the difference between the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, so it is easy for demogogue fascist politicians to take you people for the chumps you are.
Here is a good read that explains it all

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Politicians continuously tell us how smart the American people are. How then do we square that with all the evidence that suggests our politics are shallow and dumb? We cannot. Our politics are often dumb because many Americans are not smart about politics. According to Rick Shenkman, author of the new book JUST HOW STUPID ARE WE? Facing the Truth About the American Voter, they don't care about the subject and they don't know much about it.

>Only 2 out of 5 voters can name the three branches of the federal government.
>Only 1 in 7 can find Iraq on a map.
>Only 1 in 5 know that we have 100 US senators.

We have all heard the most common explanations for our broken political system – media manipulation, disingenuous politicians, ambitious CEOs. But in JUST HOW STUPID ARE WE? Shenkman cuts through the Gordian knot of contemporary politics with a shatteringly simple claim: the problem lies not in the machinations of elite business leaders and policy-makers, but in the gross ignorance and irrationality of millions of ordinary voters.

>Although more than 50% of Americans can identify at least two members of the Simpsons Family, only 25% can name more than one right guaranteed by the First Amendment.
>Only 20% of young Americans between the ages 18-34 read a newspaper daily. An astonishingly low 11% report surfing Internet news sites.
>A Washington Post poll in September 2003 found that 70% of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. A majority continued to believe this even after the 9/11 Commission reported that the claim was groundless.

If facts don't drive our politics, what does? Shenkman says it's myths. Politicians tell people what they want to hear. They tell us we're smart, better than others, and God's favorites. To win us over they pretend to be just like us, belting back shots of whiskey and playing pool, in a crude exploitation of the myth of the common man.

What do you think? ARE American voters stupid about politics? Is that changing with this current election cycle?
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That is why we are so easily manipulated by the likes of George Bush and his gang
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I like the part about the guy in the whale's belly. It reminds me that it's all a bunch of nonsense. The only value in religion is that it keeps the rabble from acting on their base instincts by instilling fear in them (at least in theory). There isn't one moral lesson in any of these religious tomes that you couldn't get from thinking for yourself. If you need some vindictive god to remind you of the golden rule, I am sorry for you. It makes sense logically, to do unto others, how sad that we need a threat of eternal suffering to make us see that.
When the Christians ruled a big chunk of the world, there was a name for the period, The Dark Ages.
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What's the problem, you drop out of fucking high school?
Relax Tourettes Guy, that reponce was ment for your post #51 but was a late arrival.

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The Declaration of Independence did not found the United States, it stated that the united States of America, which they considered to be a group of independent countries amalgamated for a common interest, was severing it's bonds with England, and as a document of civil war it is not unusual that it would invoke God. The United States of America, on the other hand, was founded by the ratification of the US Constitution, which as stated above, never mentions God and only mentions religion in clauses prohibiting it from government.

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Had you not been so worried about mentioning God and resorting to your foul language, you wouldn't have over looked the fact that I never mentioned God. I stated religious and or church as in beliefs of a higher power aka CREATOR.

And what better way to demonstrate that fact then to introduce one of the first documentations of it being mentioned, The Declaration of Independence, which of course you might not know precedes the Constitution,

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