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Agree but .... you and so many assume that the improvement comes form the H burned in the cylinder and do not take in consideration the better fuel explosion in the piston because there is H and O in the mixture.

There is a car company in Texas already selling cars with this engine modifications. On a 3.5 l Honda engine.
again, it's the increase in efficiency that is the game here not getting something from nothing
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again, it's the increase in efficiency that is the game here not getting something from nothing
From what I have read, you have to fool the O2 sensor because it will send more fuel to the cylinder when it sense the fuel mixture is to lean because of HHO otherwise the opposite will happen which is you will end up with decrease in MPG.

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I don't know if you have taken this into effect but a vehicle that has oxygen sensors, as a 06' Tacoma would definitely have, doing this type of addition could actually decrease MPG. Hear me out. What an oxygen sensor is designed to do is measures the emissions to determine if the engine is running too lean or too rich. And running a engine on a fraction of HHO will actually decrease emissions (because of the lack of hydrocarbons) making the computer pump more fuel into the engine.

Found these on youtube, HHO gas produce from water being use by welders.
YouTube - HHO gas part one (alternative to fossil fuels)
YouTube - HHO gas part two (alternative to fossil fuels)

This one used saltwater as fuel but instead of electrolysis it uses radiowave to split the H and O.

YouTube - John Kanzius - Saltwater Burns

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From what I have read, you have to fool the O2 sensor because it will send more fuel to the cylinder when it sense the fuel mixture is to lean because of HHO otherwise the opposite will happen which is you will end up with decrease in MPG.

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I don't know if you have taken this into effect but a vehicle that has oxygen sensors, as a 06' Tacoma would definitely have, doing this type of addition could actually decrease MPG. Hear me out. What an oxygen sensor is designed to do is measures the emissions to determine if the engine is running too lean or too rich. And running a engine on a fraction of HHO will actually decrease emissions (because of the lack of hydrocarbons) making the computer pump more fuel into the engine.

Found these on youtube, HHO gas produce from water being use by welders.
YouTube - HHO gas part one (alternative to fossil fuels)
YouTube - HHO gas part two (alternative to fossil fuels)

This one used saltwater as fule but isntead of electrolysis it uses radiowave to split the H and O.

YouTube - John Kanzius - Saltwater Burns
Let me give you some news: I tried them all; yes I have a powerful frequency generator right here in my home lab and I was able to separate hydrogen from the water but again when I measured my total input versus my total output I still had substantial losses

Here is my set up:
1. Electrolysis via my variable power supply ( I tried at 12V and 50V DC) while measuring Vin and Iin
2. Gases (oxygen and hydrogen) recuperation
3. gases circulation to my newly build fuel cell
4. Fed the hydrogen on one end and the oxygen on the other end
5. Measured current from my anode to cathode of the fuel cell going through a load; Iout and Vout
6. compared vin*Iin and Vout*Iout and I was way way below unity.
7. Got water out and HEAT

Step 1:
A. I used regular electrolysis
B. I used radio waves for generation of the gases (this is what you saw in your video) and I measured Vin and Iin to my frequency generator

So tell me, why is it that we get less power than what we supply to the experiment?
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From what I have read, you have to fool the O2 sensor because it will send more fuel to the cylinder when it sense the fuel mixture is to lean because of HHO otherwise the opposite will happen which is you will end up with decrease in MPG.

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I don't know if you have taken this into effect but a vehicle that has oxygen sensors, as a 06' Tacoma would definitely have, doing this type of addition could actually decrease MPG. Hear me out. What an oxygen sensor is designed to do is measures the emissions to determine if the engine is running too lean or too rich. And running a engine on a fraction of HHO will actually decrease emissions (because of the lack of hydrocarbons) making the computer pump more fuel into the engine.

Found these on youtube, HHO gas produce from water being use by welders.
YouTube - HHO gas part one (alternative to fossil fuels)
YouTube - HHO gas part two (alternative to fossil fuels)

This one used saltwater as fule but isntead of electrolysis it uses radiowave to split the H and O.

YouTube - John Kanzius - Saltwater Burns
It does run on lakewater, also, if you filter it properly. I put one on my boat last year, which makes it easier since there isn't a bunch of sensors that need to be fooled. I use the bilge pump to keep the water tank in the back of the boat essentially full, have a hose and small pump I can drop into the lake if I need to (never an issue with my boys climbing in and out of the boat). Anyhow, between the pump and the tank, I added one of those small, reverse osmosis filtration units, one that I can regenerate in between outings using a water hose. Connect the tank to the unit, and, presto, I didn't have to refill the gas tank all summer long. Plus, it seemed as though the water skiers were able to plane out quicker, and you wouldn't believe the air I could put under a tuber.
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It does run on lakewater, also, if you filter it properly. I put one on my boat last year, which makes it easier since there isn't a bunch of sensors that need to be fooled. I use the bilge pump to keep the water tank in the back of the boat essentially full, have a hose and small pump I can drop into the lake if I need to (never an issue with my boys climbing in and out of the boat). Anyhow, between the pump and the tank, I added one of those small, reverse osmosis filtration units, one that I can regenerate in between outings using a water hose. Connect the tank to the unit, and, presto, I didn't have to refill the gas tank all summer long. Plus, it seemed as though the water skiers were able to plane out quicker, and you wouldn't believe the air I could put under a tuber.
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I'm about 2 beers into a mini-keg after spending the day on the lake with the boys . . . you?

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I'm about 2 beers into a mini-keg after spending the day on the lake with the boys . . . you?
let me guess, you also connected your tank to the keg
I am ahving a Seagrams with a couple of ice cubes
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This beer's too good to waste it on propulsion.

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This beer's too good to waste it on propulsion.
Then explain your fueling system again...slowly so I can understand
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Then explain your fueling system again...slowly so I can understand
It's Q's system mounted on my boat with a water supply of filtered lake water. Y'know, the system dominic asked about . . . Qbn's a distributor and hooked me up. Minor modifications to fit it on my boat engine (GM 5.0L), the water filtration system was my idea. Boat dock gas is $5 bucks a gallon right now for 87 octane.

Ran great today, put about 3 running hours on it in half a day at the lake and the gas needle barely moved.

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