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I don't personally have clients in L.A., but someone on the private resellers forum said Jay Leno is using water on at least one of the cars in his garage...a little Chevy coupe I think, just for kicks. It was comped to him, I'm sure. He talked about it on his show one evening, said it ran in his garage for an hour with the door closed - no fumes.

The reseller agreements are pretty strict about providing more details - you wouldn't believe how simple the whole system is - to non-paying customers. They're reluctant to go mainstream because they might not be able to keep up with demand.

That Culligan gift card goes a long way. That's damn good water. Again, there's less MPG with water than gasoline, what with the physical differences between them (exothermic vs. endothermic).

It's really surprising to me how few people have clued into this yet. You'd think that everyone is a chemistry major when you talk to them about it.
i didn't get an answer on whether you installed it on your Benz. How about the sensors on Benz, will it work on water too?

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I have an AMG, so for resale purposes, it's easier not to have to explain what all that stuff is. I don't know of any car they can't retrofit with this system...other questions about sensors would be answered with the documentation.
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Theoretically it should work with no problem. The presented system has 3 independent elements to improve combustion.
1. The humidifier I have used in a Chevy 350 in the '80 and with good results. It drops intake air temperature and that provides more oxygen to the engine. Plus, the water vapors mix with the CO2 and you get soda vapors.
2. The HHO generator I have not tried yet but I am planning to. I have produced myself hydrogen at 16 for the fun of seeing the explosion. The alternator has surplus electricity at higher rpm.
3. The Xilene, as a fuel atomizer I had not tried and I need to make a visit to the paint store.
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Theoretically it should work with no problem. The presented system has 3 independent elements to improve combustion.
1. The humidifier I have used in a Chevy 350 in the '80 and with good results. It drops intake air temperature and that provides more oxygen to the engine. Plus, the water vapors mix with the CO2 and you get soda vapors.
2. The HHO generator I have not tried yet but I am planning to. I have produced myself hydrogen at 16 for the fun of seeing the explosion. The alternator has surplus electricity at higher rpm.
3. The Xilene, as a fuel atomizer I had not tried and I need to make a visit to the paint store.
Wanna see a REAL explosion? Add a little ethyl alcohol and hydrogen peroxide to the Hydrochloric acid when you throw the zinc in it.

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Theoretically it should work with no problem. The presented system has 3 independent elements to improve combustion.
1. The humidifier I have used in a Chevy 350 in the '80 and with good results. It drops intake air temperature and that provides more oxygen to the engine. Plus, the water vapors mix with the CO2 and you get soda vapors.
2. The HHO generator I have not tried yet but I am planning to. I have produced myself hydrogen at 16 for the fun of seeing the explosion. The alternator has surplus electricity at higher rpm.
3. The Xilene, as a fuel atomizer I had not tried and I need to make a visit to the paint store.
The secret is in making the engine more efficient not trying to generate power more than the possible potential energy the main fuel can provide.
Here are some clues:
noise reduction
cool engine
little to no emissions

Those are indicators to monitor to get a rough feel for engine efficiency.

Points 1 and 3 are geared towards efficiency (I can't attest to their workability)
point 2: It takes more energy than what the collected H energy from electrolysis can provide. It's the law of Conservation of Energy (Thermodynamics) but if you manage to get more, let us know, I have contacts to make sure you get the Nobel prize.
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Indonesian 'wonder fuel' just plain diesel: report

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JAKARTA (AFP) — A controversial plan backed by Indonesia's president to turn water into cheap and limitless energy has run aground, with tests showing the wonder fuel is just plain diesel, a report said Tuesday.

Government scientists have revealed that tests on the so-called "Blue Energy," purportedly made from water, showed it was diesel from state oil company Pertamina, the Jakarta Post reported.

"Blue Energy is nothing extraordinary as it is just a form of hydrocarbon or fossil fuel," Research and Technology Minister Kusmayanto Kadiman was quoted as saying.

The energy "breakthrough" grabbed headlines in Indonesia after its inventor, Joko Suprapto, managed to convince President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono he could separate hydrogen from water, turning it into diesel.

The plan was exhibited at the United Nations climate change conference in Bali in December with the president's blessing.

Suprapto went missing last month but was found in a hospital in West Java suffering from heart problems after Yudhoyono, fearing he had been abducted by jealous oil barons, ordered a police search, Tempo news magazine reported.

AFP: Indonesian 'wonder fuel' just plain diesel: report
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Wanna see a REAL explosion? Add a little ethyl alcohol and hydrogen peroxide to the Hydrochloric acid when you throw the zinc in it.
Unfortunately in US they put you in jail for doing "fun experiments" at home or anywhere.
For the things I did as a teen I could have probably gotten few life terms.
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It takes more energy than what the collected H energy from electrolysis can provide. It's the law of Conservation of Energy (Thermodynamics) but if you manage to get more, let us know, I have contacts to make sure you get the Nobel prize.

Agree but .... you and so many assume that the improvement comes form the H burned in the cylinder and do not take in consideration the better fuel explosion in the piston because there is H and O in the mixture.

There is a car company in Texas already selling cars with this engine modifications. On a 3.5 l Honda engine.
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