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Europe breathes a sigh of relief as Bush bids farewell

FROM a castle in Slovenia to one in Windsor, from the Elysee Palace to the Vatican, George Bush races through Europe this week to bid farewell to US allies whose loyalty has been tested during his past eight years in the White House.

With Europe fascinated by the unstoppable rise of Barack Obama, President Bush will get short shrift from pro-American European leaders keen to put the strains and disputes behind them and look forward to next year's new US administration, whether Senator Obama beats John McCain or not.

Mr Bush will be hosted by British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and French President Nicolas Sarkozy — all solidly pro-US, unlike the hostile Gerhard Schroeder and Jacques Chirac, who bedevilled Mr Bush's first term.

While the leaders will be generous and polite towards a US president who has plumbed unprecedented depths of unpopularity in Europe and America, there is no doubt the overall sense will be one of "good riddance".

Europe's social democrats presaged Mr Bush's arrival with a declaration stating they were looking forward "to life after Bush". They called for a rejuvenation of the trans-Atlantic relationship and said an Obama victory in November would be the best guarantee of that.

Mr Bush arrives on his valedictory tour today in Slovenia, almost seven years to the day since he set foot in Europe as US president to meet the then new Russian leader, Vladimir Putin. US-Russian relations have deteriorated ever since. The problem of Russia and associated issues such as energy security, potential conflict in Georgia and nuclear proliferation will feature strongly in the talks this week.

The first big business for Mr Bush is a summit today in Slovenia with European Union leaders in which the two sides will debate security measures America is introducing for all travellers to the US from Europe, seen as a threat to civil liberties by many in Brussels.

The EU-US trade relationship will also feature strongly. Apart from the war in Iraq and the abuses at Guantanamo Bay, the Europeans are aghast at Mr Bush's stalling on climate change policy. Despite the enthusiasm for US change, more nuanced voices are emerging to caution against the idea of a radical shift in trans-Atlantic ties.

European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso last week criticised Senator Obama's position on global trade.

Josef Joffe, a German commentator on America, wrote last week: "An optical illusion may be influencing our opinions: the comforting idea that the real problem is George Bush and not America. Why is this a mental delusion? First, because anti-Americanism is older than the younger Bush. Second because Obama (probably) comes, but the superpower stays. America, this steam hammer of a nation, is fundamentally a destroyer."

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America, this steam hammer of a nation, is fundamentally a destroyer."
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Yes, a steam hammer that destroys socialist economies systems and their governments that enjoy 50 - 60 % taxes.
A utopia in which you work and you pay for what you use in a free market system.
Europe is charging 110% tax on fuel and 17% on sales and 45% on income and the foam when they hear that US wants to open their market up and do business there.
If Wall Mart opens there all other stores will close down.
When a used car registration is $3000 life is miserable.
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Yes, a steam hammer that destroys socialist economies systems and their governments that enjoy 50 - 60 % taxes.
A utopia in which you work and you pay for what you use in a free market system.
Europe is charging 110% tax on fuel and 17% on sales and 45% on income and the foam when they hear that US wants to open their market up and do business there.
If Wall Mart opens there all other stores will close down.
When a used car registration is $3000 life is miserable.
Walmart isn't a good idea in some parts of the US too. I would support a $3000 registration fee on gas guzzlers and heavy duty vehicles because I really don't understand why a single driver would commute in a truck like vehicle to work in an office. I know we must respect choices but I would put a price tag on choice if it will save our environment, lower our dependence on oil and insures that I see the sun when a vehicle is in front of me.
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Walmart isn't a good idea in some parts of the US too. I would support a $3000 registration fee on gas guzzlers and heavy duty vehicles because I really don't understand why a single driver would commute in a truck like vehicle to work in an office. I know we must respect choices but I would put a price tag on choice if it will save our environment, lower our dependence on oil and insures that I see the sun when a vehicle is in front of me.
Your assumption that the majority of those who drive these vehicles are single drivers with no need or purpose to own these 'unfair' consumers of gasoline demonstrates your short sightedness. You would propose to burden a family of 3, 4, or even more with $3,000 in registration fees on a vehicle they NEED when you have not considered the burden they already have just buying the fuel for them. I say the price of fuel will be the single most effective motivator to park vehicles that are unneeded in favor of the more conserving kind. How about asking me when I drove my Dodge Truck, last?

I'm never in favor of the government manipulating the market with taxes, fees and other socialistic restrictions. This is why you need the environment issue, because without it, the people will still have a choice. Forbid we have the freedom to choose whether or not to drive one. One day, you will lift the wool from your eyes and quit buying into every scientific sham force fed to you by those who wish to control your freedoms. Conserve for the right reasons and you'll be more constructive in getting your opinions across.

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Buy a van or a station wagon. What's wrong here is that you're basically saying that driving a fancy truck is a birthright. Dude, they can always buy it and use if they can pay the 3K, it's a free country but should not be a free ride
If the vehicle is registered as a work truck then it should be exempt of such fees and should carry a special tag so the law can be enforced. Let's get back to reality, you know like back down to earth and stop thinking that we are entitled to fuk this planet up because we can.
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1. Walmart isn't a good idea in some parts of the US too.
2. I would support a $3000 registration fee on gas guzzlers and heavy duty vehicles because I really don't understand why a single driver would commute in a truck like vehicle to work in an office.
3. if it will save our environment,
4. I see the sun when a vehicle is in front of me.
1. Why? Afraid of competition? Small staores have been ripping off customer for too long with 200% mark ups.
2. That is legalized theft. I just bought a BUS. Should I pay registration per foot or per tone?
3 Have you planted a tree this year? Have you recicled your glass/papper/plastic?
4. So everything is about "I". How about other person "I"?
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1. Why? Afraid of competition? Small staores have been ripping off customer for too long with 200% mark ups.
2. That is legalized theft. I just bought a BUS. Should I pay registration per foot or per tone?
3 Have you planted a tree this year? Have you recicled your glass/papper/plastic?
4. So everything is about "I". How about other person "I"?
Other person I need to pay way, Tonto.

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Buy a van or a station wagon. What's wrong here is that you're basically saying that driving a fancy truck is a birthright. Dude, they can always buy it and use if they can pay the 3K, it's a free country but should not be a free ride
If the vehicle is registered as a work truck then it should be exempt of such fees and should carry a special tag so the law can be enforced. Let's get back to reality, you know like back down to earth and stop thinking that we are entitled to fuk this planet up because we can.
You seem to totally miss the point. IT IS A BIRTHRIGHT to exercise your freedom of choice. Are we not U.S. citizens? Are we so apathetic of what's going on around us that we are willing to give up every freedom for a 'good and noble' cause? How many more freedoms do you mandate that we relinquish in order to achieve the goal of 'independence of foreign oil' and 'global warming control'? If our government and people wanted independence from foreign oil, we'd have it already.

As for the lies you and others continue to blindly follow that our ever so fragile planet is in need of our help: Go ahead and continue to advocate giving up your freedoms to force those evil SUV drivers to buy some cracker box tin can that gets 35 to 40 mpg. I agree that if someone doesn't need them, they shouldn't buy them. That is OUR opinions. BUT, I do not advocate the use of force, fees or taxes to get someone else to conform to mine or your opinions. It's what does make this country great, but you wish to turn it into BIG BROTHER and the people to become sheeple. I'll not be herded into the fold on this one and anyone who allows it is just a chump.

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