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How safe are the familes of 4,000 soldiers slain in Iraq needlessly by this butcher? How safe are the hundreds of thousands abandoned by Bush during the Katrina disaster? How safe is the average American from the looming economic catastrophe in this country due to Bush's wars and giveaways to the super rich?
I am pretty safe from all that over here in the Big Durian..............
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Inhabitants of the most powerful nation on the planet are safe? Truly miraculous.

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what are you smoking?

the worst attack on amercia happened under who's watch? and you call that 'keeping us safe'? besides bear is right and the next one, even bigger most likely, is coming so jay, put your helmet back on man.
Jayhawk smokes a special blend of LSD mixed with crack. How are we "safe" when Bin Laden has never been captured?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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I am pretty safe from all that over here in the Big Durian..............
You must be. My Jakarta Index Fund is one of the stars of my portfolio, although it is down lately, its returned 50% over the last two years.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Inhabitants of the most powerful nation on the planet are safe? Truly miraculous.

yea..... china is pretty safe....... jk




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Mideast Won't Change from Within

The President's ME strategy is correct and it is succeeding. Here is a thoughtful piece from today's WSJ titled "The Mideast Won't Change From Within."

By MOHAMMED FADHIL
May 31, 2008; Page A9

The Middle East has witnessed dramatic changes over the past few years, including the adoption in some countries – Iraq, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories – of the democratic system as the means for the transfer of political power. Though all of these countries are still troubled, the huge turnouts in all three electoral processes were clear evidence of the willingness of their peoples to switch to ballots over bullets.

Unfortunately, some Arab intellectuals seem bent on rejecting democracy as a foreign – in particular, Western – concept. I recall before Saddam's fall that many were repeating a slogan that says "No America and No Saddam," which ostensibly aimed at touting a nationalistic project for change. Today the same slogans are reiterated; sometimes out of good will and naïveté, other times to support the totalitarians and the extremists. People keep saying that if both Iran and the U.S. had stayed out of our business we would have been able to solve our problems on our own.

In my opinion this fantasy about change in isolation from foreign influence is ridiculous. The Middle East is not like Eastern Europe – where the countries that underwent a change were surrounded by old and well-established democracies and the Soviet Union was falling apart. Had the latter factor not been the case, democracies in Eastern Europe would've been silenced for God knows how many more decades.

Similarly, it's naïve to expect democracies that emerge from isolated nationalistic initiatives, without backing from outside powers, would ever be welcomed by the neighbors in Saudi Arabia, Iran or Syria. The idea that these states wouldn't interfere if America and the West did not is laughable.

Just look at Syrian and Iranian interference in Lebanon, even though America did not lead the change the way it did in Iraq. And while Gaza and Beirut have fallen to the extremists, Baghdad has not. The reason is the American presence that continues to protect the democratic process.

Change with support from the outside, especially the West, is a necessity. First of all, the neighbors would not let these democracies take a breath and second, democracy is a concept that emerged and evolved in the West. For the Middle East it's like importing a medicine that we didn't manufacture. The usage and dosage instructions are necessary.

Toppling Saddam's regime was half the way to democracy, and now it's become clear that protecting the newborn democracy is just as crucial a job as overthrowing the dictator. There's absolutely no doubt that the American presence in Iraq has been the biggest factor in protecting Iraq from coup attempts by extremists – be it al Qaeda to declare an Islamic state, or the hard-line Shiite movements.

It is obvious that in the Middle East there's a real war raging between the supporters of extremism and totalitarianism and those of democracy and tolerance. The choice before the world is whether it will support one side by doing something, or the other by doing nothing.

The Mideast Won't Change from Within - WSJ.com

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Jayquack I am very familiar with the writings of Mr. Fadhil and his brother they are both TOOLS. They would love to see us attack Iran as if we are at their service and must line up with their ideology.
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...and now it's become clear that protecting the newborn democracy is just as crucial a job...
So we invade a sovereign country, overthrough it's leader, install a democracy that "KINDA" works with our paradigm and now we have to spend the next 50 years insuring that democracy doesn't install a government that is diametrically opposed to our interests.

I don't think Bushie thought their cunning plan through.




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I'm sure B.O. will do a much better job of protecting us.
I can't wait to see what that empty suit does!
Are you advocating Bush for the 3rd term?

The way he fucks up our economy, foreign relations, our standing around the world; I would much rather see another 9/11. Hopefully next time when that happens, the terrorists kill off many more dumb ass people like you and Jay. This country needs a cleansing.

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Are you advocating Bush for the 3rd term?
By voting Obama, you advocated a 3rd Bush term. Reason being is that Obama wont beat McCain whereas Clinton would. Dont you love the irony?.
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