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That would work if we stop treating one group as God's chosen people while the other as the scum of the earth
That's not how we treated the Brits and the Irish in this process or am I wrong?
How much money are we spending in Arab countries vs Israeli countries?

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Why are we even spending money overseas? To protect our interests? If it is so, the same amount of money we spent should be funnel into cutting edge weaponries that have no rivals. Everyone will bow to us. Not talking about nuclear, that is so passé.

Yup, you guess it. We are the evil empire. Is it not true our basic objective is world dominance? We are just going by the "friendly ways" while our "enemies" use the "evil ways". And while I am at it, only us seeing our way is the good way while the rest of the world sees it otherwise.

If we want to be the good guy, then stop sticking our nose into everybody's affairs.

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Yup, you guess it. We are the evil empire. ....
You're the evil empire, not me.

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I think you made it up. It can't be true. Barak Hussein Obama & Harry Reid, and Nacy Polosi and John Murtha said the war was lost and we needed to haul ass. We simply cannot be succeeding, that is NOT the correct script.

Please provide several more links to similar stories, preferably from real sources like the LA Times, Washington Post and NY Times.

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Rep. Mike McIntyre, D-N.C., who requested the administration's updated assessment, scoffed at the May report, which he says uses the false standard of determining whether progress on a goal is "satisfactory" versus whether the benchmark has been met. He estimates that only a few of the 18 benchmarks have been fully achieved.
This was not a "released" report like the semi annuals, it was an interim. But a quick search did find that nearly everyone did publish the AP story like the link. CNN, Fox, AJC, Times, Post...

What I like best is the way the grading is much like "No Child Left Behind". Success is measured in a way that "progress toward a goal" in itself is enough to gain Satisfaction. So we really don't have 15/18 successes but 15 of 18 ATTEMPTS at the goal. Apparently we found a new way to get Satisfaction. Call Mick and the boys.

If we measured BASEBALL the same way, it would be announced by the lovely White House Press Secretary Dana Perino that the Mighty Casey was Satisfactory in 3 of 3 Goals at Bat. And we are looking forward to his next successful campaign.

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How much money are we spending in Arab countries vs Israeli countries?

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2001:
Adjusting the official aid to 2001 dollars in purchasing power, Israel has been given $240 billion since 1973, Stauffer reckons. In addition, the US has given Egypt $117 billion and Jordan $22 billion in foreign aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel. source: Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US | csmonitor.com

1997:
$14,630 per Israeli
Source: WRMEA: U.S. Aid to Israel

2007:

source: US Aid to Israel and the Palestinians

This was interesting (same source as above):
Contrary to ordinary U.S. policy, Israel has been and continues to be allowed to use 26% of this military aid to purchase equipment from Israeli manufacturers. According to CRS, “no other recipient of U.S. military assistance has been granted this benefit.” Thanks in part to this indirect U.S. subsidy, Israel’s arms industry has become one of the strongest in the world. “In 2006, it was the 9th leading supplier of arms worldwide.”

What's wrong with our suppliers eh?


Now that we are shifting our aid to Israel for more military purposes:

The proposed package comes with a serious sweetener for Israel: a 25 percent rise in U.S. military aid, from an annual $2.4 billion (€1.76 billion) at present to $3 billion (€2.2 billion) a year, guaranteed for 10 years, Olmert and U.S. officials said.
Source: Israel says U.S. aid to Saudi military is understandable - International Herald Tribune

and here is a very nice report that explains all; enjoy!
http://www.usembassy.at/en/download/pdf/aid_israel.pdf
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Leave at a time of our choosing in accordance with the Iraqi government's wishes. They will probably want us around to be the bad cop for a few years in a slow withdrawal first in-country to garrisons and then out of the country.

So long and thanks for all the fish.

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Yes, the US should tend to the Pro-Iran Iraqi government needs. Don't you find this confusing?
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2001:
Adjusting the official aid to 2001 dollars in purchasing power, Israel has been given $240 billion since 1973, Stauffer reckons. In addition, the US has given Egypt $117 billion and Jordan $22 billion in foreign aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel. source: Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US | csmonitor.com

1997:
$14,630 per Israeli
Source: WRMEA: U.S. Aid to Israel

2007:

source: US Aid to Israel and the Palestinians

This was interesting (same source as above):
Contrary to ordinary U.S. policy, Israel has been and continues to be allowed to use 26% of this military aid to purchase equipment from Israeli manufacturers. According to CRS, “no other recipient of U.S. military assistance has been granted this benefit.” Thanks in part to this indirect U.S. subsidy, Israel’s arms industry has become one of the strongest in the world. “In 2006, it was the 9th leading supplier of arms worldwide.”

What's wrong with our suppliers eh?


Now that we are shifting our aid to Israel for more military purposes:

The proposed package comes with a serious sweetener for Israel: a 25 percent rise in U.S. military aid, from an annual $2.4 billion (€1.76 billion) at present to $3 billion (€2.2 billion) a year, guaranteed for 10 years, Olmert and U.S. officials said.
Source: Israel says U.S. aid to Saudi military is understandable - International Herald Tribune

and here is a very nice report that explains all; enjoy!
http://www.usembassy.at/en/download/pdf/aid_israel.pdf
Is that all of the money the US gov & people spend in Arab countries?

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Is that all of the money the US gov & people spend in Arab countries?

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Were talking about "hand me downs" here not investments
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Were talking about "hand me downs" here not investments
Okay, have it your way.

How much money is spent by this country's government on Arab nations?

I applaud your keen interest in spending on Israel so you should have no problem reporting total expenditures on Arab countries.
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Hmmm, including the formerly sovereign nation of Iraq?
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