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Let me rephrase... What I find most interesting about this is that when he stood behind that podium, no one believed a word he said. Now that he is saying bad things about the administration, he is a Delphic oracle!
Here is the difference. When he was behind the podium he was PAID to misdirect, obfuscate, lie and parse. Only a moron would believe a Press Secretary of either party, ever. Once they get past schedule, menu and agenda items, assume they are either filtering the information or they, themselves don't know the whole story.

Now that he does not have the job requirement to misdirect, obfuscate, lie and parse we have to make a judgment as to WHY he would burn so many bridges in order to write the book. It certainly was not the money, he could have made much more as a Bush insider for the next 25 years. So if you take money off the table, it was either revenge or conscience.

Either way, there is plenty of information that is actionable if it is blatantly false [and we have heard very little of that claim] so we have to assume there is proof, documentation or evidence or the publisher would not risk publishing the book. We have already seen that the Bushies are not real bright at covering their tracks.

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If you think about it, he really cut himself off at the knees, by essentially kissing goodbye to all the lucrative conservative connections he'd made over the years. I don't pretend to know his motivations, but this might very well be a genuine desire to get the guilty shit off of his chest, and not really a greed driven process...dunno
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Here is the difference. When he was behind the podium he was PAID to misdirect, obfuscate, lie and parse. Only a moron would believe a Press Secretary of either party, ever. Once they get past schedule, menu and agenda items, assume they are either filtering the information or they, themselves don't know the whole story.

Now that he does not have the job requirement to misdirect, obfuscate, lie and parse we have to make a judgment as to WHY he would burn so many bridges in order to write the book. It certainly was not the money, he could have made much more as a Bush insider for the next 25 years. So if you take money off the table, it was either revenge or conscience.

Either way, there is plenty of information that is actionable if it is blatantly false [and we have heard very little of that claim] so we have to assume there is proof, documentation or evidence or the publisher would not risk publishing the book. We have already seen that the Bushies are not real bright at covering their tracks.
Now let's see... How much do you think he was paid when he was behind the podium? And how much do you think he will get from a "Blast the President" book to tell that story? I'd say his motivation to lie is MUCH greater to do the later than it was to do the former. But I could be wrong...

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Bob Dole unloads on McClellan

Bob Dole yesterday sent a scalding email to Scott McClellan, excoriating the former White House spokesman as a "miserable creature" who greedily betrayed his former patron for a fast buck.

"There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don’t have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues," Dole wrote in a message sent yesterday morning. "No, your type soaks up the benefits of power, revels in the limelight for years, then quits, and spurred on by greed, cashes in with a scathing critique." ...

Jonathan Martin's Blog: Bob Dole unloads on McClellan - Politico.com

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Bob Dole yesterday sent a scalding email to Scott McClellan, excoriating the former White House spokesman as a "miserable creature" who greedily betrayed his former patron for a fast buck.

"There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don’t have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues," Dole wrote in a message sent yesterday morning. "No, your type soaks up the benefits of power, revels in the limelight for years, then quits, and spurred on by greed, cashes in with a scathing critique." ...

Jonathan Martin's Blog: Bob Dole unloads on McClellan - Politico.com
Fuck Dole, McClellan had every right to do it. Not doing it would have been chicken shit, he had balls to do this.
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Maybe this is the first step to the Gang of 4 demise

Gosh, I would love to see the day fucking Bush and Cheney stand in front of a firing squad. I am willing to pay admission for that. This nation needs it........to ensure future POTUS won't pull another stunt on the people.

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Gosh, I would love to see the day fucking Bush and Cheney stand in front of a firing squad. I am willing to pay admission for that. This nation needs it........to ensure future POTUS won't pull another stunt on the people.

Congressman wants McClellan to testify under oath - CNN.com
Damn, that would be incredible. I'd give my left nut to see Bush/Cheney and all their cohorts get justice served to them on a platter!.
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Damn, that would be incredible. I'd give my left nut to see Bush/Cheney and all their cohorts get justice served to them on a platter!.
Would you like to see them eat it as their last meal?
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Would you like to see them eat it as their last meal?
Yeah, I dont care, I'd be like "Hey DickBush, suck on my left nut bitch".
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By BOB HERBERT
The New York Times

Published: May 31, 2008


I guess it’s official now since we have a Bush administration insider, Scott McClellan, telling us that the war in Iraq was a monumental strategic blunder, and that it was sold cynically and deceitfully to a craven Congress and to a public still traumatized by the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Some of us already knew that, Scott. Some of us knew it at the time.

In his new book, “What Happened,” Mr. McClellan even tells us that wars “should only be waged when necessary.”

Gee, Scott, some of us have known that deep in our hearts all of our lives.

Even the most cursory reading of wartime history — take your pick: World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, any war — would convey the message that to engage in warfare unnecessarily is insane.

Reading Mr. McClellan’s book, I kept thinking of the many ordinary people — the service members, their relatives, and so many others — who have suffered so grievously from this misbegotten and thoroughly unnecessary war.

I remember talking with Tyler Hall, a baby-faced sergeant from Wasilla, Alaska, in 2004. “I was blown up in an I.E.D. attack,” he told me.

Sergeant Hall had three bones in his back broken. His arm was broken. He lost his left leg below the knee. He was badly burned. Part of his palate was destroyed. The lower part of his face had to be reconstructed. He suffered a brain injury. And so forth.

That is just the tiniest glimpse of the sort of thing that happens when a president refuses to heed the call of reason and instead, immaturely and unforgivably, sends his country’s brave young volunteers into a pointless conflagration.

More than 4,000 Americans have made the supreme sacrifice for this unnecessary war.

The New York Times and HBO jointly produced a documentary called “Last Letters Home,” a title that requires no explanation. One of those letters was to John Witmer from his daughter Michele, a 20-year-old Army specialist from New Berlin, Wis.

“Dear Daddy,” she wrote, “Happy Father’s Day. I love you so much and you can’t imagine how often I think of you. I hope you have lots of fun today and that the weather is lovely.”

I’ve talked to so many parents who lost children in the war. During an interview in her home in Philadelphia, Celeste Zappa told me about the moment she found out that her son, Sherwood Baker, a sergeant in the Pennsylvania National Guard, had been killed.

One evening in April 2004, Ms. Zappa noticed a man in a dress uniform with medals on his chest coming onto her porch. “He had a notebook in his hand,” she said. “I could see him very clearly even though it was dark and kind of raining. So I came out on the porch and I looked at him. And I knew, but I didn’t want to know.”

Sergeant Baker had only been in Baghdad six weeks when he was blown up in an explosion at a factory. An absurd footnote to his death was the fact that he was helping to provide security for the Iraq Survey Group, which was hunting for the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction.

The war in Iraq, which has taken 100,000 or more Iraqi lives, and which will cost the U.S. upwards of $3 trillion, and which continues indefinitely, is a scandal and a crime. Scott McClellan is a little late to be blowing the whistle on this outrage.

More important than his belated musings on the war, and his aggrieved take on the leaking of a C.I.A. operative’s identity, is Mr. McClellan’s warning about the “culture of deception” that has poisoned the very atmosphere of national politics and government.

“Washington has become the home of the permanent campaign,” he writes, “a game of endless politicking based on the manipulation of shades of truth, partial truths, twisting of the truth, and spin. Governing has become an appendage of politics rather than the other way around, with the electoral victory and the control of power as the sole measures of success.”

Mr. McClellan’s book landed like a bombshell on Washington not because of any startling revelations or staggering new insights, but because he was an insider who wrote unflatteringly about his boss.

Forget that this is supposed to be a government of, by and for the people, and that the truth is supposed to matter. Mr. McClellan is being denounced as a traitor by those who readily accept the culture of deception, and who believe that a government official’s primary loyalty is not to the people, but to power itself — in this case, to the president.

It’s exactly that kind of thinking that begets unnecessary wars.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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