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You suggest that most folks become a part of their religion by free will. In societies where religions encompass the whole of society that is not the case, with indoctrination beginning at the age of awareness. Even in Western culture with Christian conservatives, indoctrination of children begins by the age of 4 or 5. That really starts to take the edge off of "free will".

When you add in the concept of home schooling or Christian education, where children are not always exposed to independent thought or many critical thinking skills much of that "free will" just melts away.
If that were true there would have been no "Enlightenment" and we would all be on our way to Compline.

There is always free will, always. Remember Patrick Henry's words.

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Get used to it: 6 more months. When he's elected president I will use the honorific, President Barak Hussein Obama.

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If that were true there would have been no "Enlightenment" and we would all be on our way to Compline.

There is always free will, always. Remember Patrick Henry's words.

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Either you have not been around evangelical churches and watched what is occurring with the kids or do not understand what brainwashing does to free will.

There is NOT always free will. Sometimes it is fully sapped away.

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You suggest that most folks become a part of their religion by free will. In societies where religions encompass the whole of society that is not the case, with indoctrination beginning at the age of awareness. Even in Western culture with Christian conservatives, indoctrination of children begins by the age of 4 or 5. That really starts to take the edge off of "free will".

When you add in the concept of home schooling or Christian education, where children are not always exposed to independent thought or many critical thinking skills much of that "free will" just melts away.

Alas it is not so. We do not fall into the equation with equality. Some fall with prejudice, some fall with malice, the so called smart refuse to take the fall at all. Therein lies the dilemma, is it better to play with the dilemma or is it better to make it your own? Do we attack those that cannot discern or do we embrace those we see as inferior? Depends upon so much.
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Alas it is not so. We do not fall into the equation with equality. Some fall with prejudice, some fall with malice, the so called smart refuse to take the fall at all. Therein lies the dilemma, is it better to play with the dilemma or is it better to make it your own? Do we attack those that cannot discern or do we embrace those we see as inferior? Depends upon so much.
I tend to think that we assume that everyone is going to go their own path, whether they chose it or whether it was chosen for them or some hybrid. Some folks are adventurous enough to sniff around and see what others are doing and try new and different things, most are content to stay in their cocoon.

Either way, everyone's personal beliefs should be treated with a modicum of respect. It lessens the conflict to when one religion [or believer] decides that it is more important and tries to foist its brand of utopia upon those who might just have a different point of view.

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I tend to think that we assume that everyone is going to go their own path, whether they chose it or whether it was chosen for them or some hybrid. Some folks are adventurous enough to sniff around and see what others are doing and try new and different things, most are content to stay in their cocoon.

Either way, everyone's personal beliefs should be treated with a modicum of respect. It lessens the conflict to when one religion [or believer] decides that it is more important and tries to foist its brand of utopia upon those who might just have a different point of view.
And we are left to judge, but we know the judge will be judged at some point. The risk.
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Reading about Buddhism and ending up with Islam and being a Buddhist and converting to another religion are two completely different paths.
I know. But I've seen both cases.
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Either you have not been around evangelical churches and watched what is occurring with the kids or do not understand what brainwashing does to free will.

There is NOT always free will. Sometimes it is fully sapped away.
Kids grow up. When I was a child I played with childrens things. Now I am a man and put aside those childish things.

Been there, done that. Got the bath. Not there now. Why not?

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