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This blogger's experience echoes what I've said about the difference between Islam and non-Islamic practices of Muslims. Read her "About me and my thoughts on Islam" page: Not Muslim Anymore) . Too bad she decided to leave instead of staying a Muslim and living Islam the way it should be. It does take courage and discipline but is achievable. A bitter divorce and living in Jordan (I think the latter is worse sometimes) might be the reason. I'm an Arab Muslima living in an Arab Muslim society and I know how hard it is to do the Islamic thing instead of the non-Islamic custom which the majority think is the right thing.
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One cannot prove or disprove religion. It is a faith, not a hypothesis.
Please forgive my inacuracy, I'm not a native speaker of English, you know.


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As if you don't blame it on Islam already As if almost everybody else doesn't, too. Give me a break.
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As if you don't blame it on Islam already As if almost everybody else doesn't, too. Give me a break.
No I do not blame Islam. Blaming religion for it's practitioners' behavior is like blaming water for a drowning.

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No I do not blame Islam. Blaming religion for it's practitioner's behavior is like blaming a water for a drowning.

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No I do not blame Islam. Blaming religion for it's practitioners' behavior is like blaming water for a drowning.

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Oh yeah sure, but what about that pesky snowflake?
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Oh yeah sure, but what about that pesky snowflake?
Good point as per usual, Shane.

I guess I would argue that a religion without people could do no harm, as an avalanche without snowflakes.

Unlike a snowflake, it is the individual's free-will choice whether to be part of a religion or not. If part of that religion, it is always a person's individual choice whether to continue and how to behave while in it's thrall.

If one associates oneself with a religion whose practitioners speak hatefully of others, like Barak Hussein Obama, who associated himself with an avalanche of bigots, don't be surprised when folks are suspicious of one's motives. That church's hatefulness was not a result of Christianity, it was a result of the snowflakes who allowed themselves to be carried by the maelstrom. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

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Maybe, maybe not. I know a few new Muslim converts (from Christianity) who started with Buddhism (at least reading about it) and ended up with Islam.
Reading about Buddhism and ending up with Islam and being a Buddhist and converting to another religion are two completely different paths.

Their convergence would be rare.

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Good point as per usual, Shane.

I guess I would argue that a religion without people could do no harm, as an avalanche without snowflakes.

Unlike a snowflake, it is the individual's free-will choice whether to be part of a religion or not. If part of that religion, it is always a person's individual choice whether to continue and how to behave while in it's thrall.

If one associates oneself with a religion whose practitioners speak hatefully of others, like Barak Hussein Obama, who associated himself with an avalanche of bigots, don't be surprised when folks are suspicious of one's motives. That church's hatefulness was not a result of Christianity, it was a result of the snowflakes who allowed themselves to be carried by the maelstrom. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

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You suggest that most folks become a part of their religion by free will. In societies where religions encompass the whole of society that is not the case, with indoctrination beginning at the age of awareness. Even in Western culture with Christian conservatives, indoctrination of children begins by the age of 4 or 5. That really starts to take the edge off of "free will".

When you add in the concept of home schooling or Christian education, where children are not always exposed to independent thought or many critical thinking skills much of that "free will" just melts away.

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One quick question. What's with the Hussein still? Wasn't that clever word play about six months ago or were you one of those six year olds that ran through KMart yelling PENIS for two years after you first heard the word and found out what it meant?


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One quick question. What's with the Hussein still? Wasn't that clever word play about six months ago or were you one of those six year olds that ran through KMart yelling PENIS for two years after you first heard the word and found out what it meant?


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Get used to it: 6 more months. When he's elected president I will use the honorific, President Barak Hussein Obama.

Would it be an improvement if I refer to him as chimp?

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