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I agree with you on this one: the shiite halucination. But this doesn't give Israel the right to threaten, strike and even invade Lebanon every now and then.
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I agree with you on this one: the shiite halucination. But this doesn't give Israel the right to threaten, strike and even invade Lebanon every now and then.
If they invaded, unprovoked by rocketry and suicide bombs and snipers, I could do nothing but agree with you.

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If they invaded, unprovoked by rocketry and suicide bombs and snipers, I could do nothing but agree with you.

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That's a totally different perspective. Honestly, I have no idea about the volume of oil consumption in the region as compared to the world.

I thought Gulf states were allowed to build nuclear facilities and then suddenly someone gives evidence that it'll be used to threaten stability () in the region and the next thing we know is American forces occupying the region. I couldn't help it. The Iraqi wound is fresh and bleeding.
I understand how your perspective is influenced by Iraq. Having said that, I think that the most logical reason for the ME going nuclear is to have every last drop of the good stuff available for sale to whoever the highest bidder is. Being quite frank, the only reason the ME has any degree of political clout on the world stage is because of the oil it floats on. That oil has made ME states wealthy and has given them influence. The moment that oil dries up, then both the money and the influence disappear. If I was faced with that situation I would be looking to not only extend my influence as long as possible, but also to spend my money today on infrastructure investments that will last into the future. Nuclear energy would ensure that the lights still turn on in the ME after the oil is gone. It also keeps the money flowing in as long as possible.
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I understand how your perspective is influenced by Iraq. Having said that, I think that the most logical reason for the ME going nuclear is to have every last drop of the good stuff available for sale to whoever the highest bidder is. Being quite frank, the only reason the ME has any degree of political clout on the world stage is because of the oil it floats on. That oil has made ME states wealthy and has given them influence. The moment that oil dries up, then both the money and the influence disappear. If I was faced with that situation I would be looking to not only extend my influence as long as possible, but also to spend my money today on infrastructure investments that will last into the future. Nuclear energy would ensure that the lights still turn on in the ME after the oil is gone. It also keeps the money flowing in as long as possible.
Not me.

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I understand how your perspective is influenced by Iraq.
I was wary of the intentions behind allowing Arab countries access to nuclear energy (especially Israel-neighbouring Egypt) until Botnst explaned it.

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Having said that, I think that the most logical reason for the ME going nuclear is to have every last drop of the good stuff available for sale to whoever the highest bidder is. Being quite frank, the only reason the ME has any degree of political clout on the world stage is because of the oil it floats on.
I don't disagree

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That oil has made ME states wealthy and has given them influence. The moment that oil dries up, then both the money and the influence disappear. If I was faced with that situation I would be looking to not only extend my influence as long as possible, but also to spend my money today on infrastructure investments that will last into the future.
Makes sense. I see Gulf states finally diversifying income sources and promoting tourism, for example, each to a different degree of success.

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Nuclear energy would ensure that the lights still turn on in the ME after the oil is gone. It also keeps the money flowing in as long as possible.
Sure. Although solar energy should be put to some use, too. It might not yet provide all energy requiremnts but it can help and it's free, renewable and available almost year-round.
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Sure. Although solar energy should be put to some use, too. It might not yet provide all energy requiremnts but it can help and it's free, renewable and available almost year-round.
Hardly, it's extremely inefficient right now, and many of the parts require petroleum products to manufacture.

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Unfortunately. But is the inefficiency because of lack of research?
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In spite of the negative propaganda, Islam still attracts new converts, usually people of intellect and enough free thinking to neutralize all the bad publicity. This fact should give you enough reason to think, ask why and look for answers from credible sources. Otherwise, you'll never learn anything about Islam, especially if you keep visiting the sites you quote.
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