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And Dopey
I was trying to point out that the difference lay in the people and their qualities, China vis-a-vis Katrina
You were trying to blame the American Government,
for their failures
Are you sure you were not a Katrina victim yourself?
You sure speak their language
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the wife says the Germans would not have waited for aid / outside assistence either.
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A well known fact is that authoritarian management style works the best in emergencies--and in emergencies only. Regardless of political system, I suppose. Some countries have less distance to move to get to authoritarinism than the US.

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Don't worry B, come Jan 09 everything will be much better in the world!
Just too painful to accept that the response was minimalist because we were engaged in a man-made national disaster that usurped most of our normally available resources to step in, evacuate ahead of time and then maintain order once the storm passed. When you hear people speak of a Category 4 Hurricane being able to breech the man-made features holding back the sea and the forecasters predicting a Category 5 storm being on the way, how can anyone suggest they couldn't know the levees would fail? How could you base your plan for dealing with the risk of this disaster on the idea the levee's wouldn't fail?

We are coming up on another anniversary of Katrina and there is little progress cleaning up the mess that was readily foreseen if one bothered to look. Looking, realizing the danger and admitting we were powerless to respond because we were mired in a nightmare in Iraq that was truly damaging our ability to protect our own country from internal and external threats just wasn't in the cards. Denial was easier and politically more expedient. And the politics of those being most damaged by Katrina were not aligned with the Republican party, so there was a calculated loss deemed acceptable in face of the alternates. Like Ford deciding it was cheaper to pay off families of burned accident victims instead of fixing their fuel tanks, our government just stonewalled the problem.

Will things like that happen after the next President takes over? Who knows, but I can hardly believe it will be a situation controlled by incompetence and the lowest common denominator thinking that we live with with today. I guess that qualifies as "hope."

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Who's willing to bet that the rich neighborhoods got better treatment, response and federal help than the poor ones where mostly African Americans live?
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And Dopey
I was trying to point out that the difference lay in the people and their qualities, China vis-a-vis Katrina
You were trying to blame the American Government,
for their failures
Are you sure you were not a Katrina victim yourself?
You sure speak their language
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the wife says the Germans would not have waited for aid / outside assistence either.
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So, Divvy, you think poor American people are hugely different to poor Chinese people? Why would you think that?
Did it cross your mind perhaps that the Americans who received slow and inconsistent assistance from their government were entitled to expect a better organised and more comprehensive response by the world's richest nation with the most sophisticated military?

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Who's willing to bet that the rich neighborhoods got better treatment, response and federal help than the poor ones where mostly African Americans live?
You would lose.

The people who could afford to leave, left. Like the mayor, who bought a nice house in Dallas. Even most of the police, fire, maintenance, and transportation workers left, despite standing city orders to remain in case of emergency.

According to doctrine ever since the Posse Comitatus laws passed after the American Civil War, the governor of the state must request federalization except in case of war or insurrection. Within the state of Louisiana, a mayor must request that the governor declare martial law before the mayor can send national guard troops into a city.

IN NOLA, the governor & mayor activated the guard in NOLA before the storm. But guess what -- they were staged in NOLA and they got flooded. The remainder of teh state's NG had to be activated and that takes 3-4 days.

Now according to the doctrine of federalism, and according to Posse Comitatus, and according to the doctrine promoed between the states and federal emergency management agency, the state and local governments are the lead agencies. The federal and state governments had NEVER considered that a natural disaster in which the federal civilian authorities would take charge of a disaster. FEMA, by law and by nature, takes a supporting role. They haven't the necessary bureaucracy to manage a disaster. They don't know the state's organs of government and they often don't even have a map when they show up. What they do have is a credit card and they depend on the local and state gov to tell them how to spend emergency money.

In order to get the feds to take over, the governor must request that from the federal government. This effectively decapitates state government and permits the federal government to do what it does when it needs an organized structure quickly -- call out the 82nd Airborne Division.

I was in a boat in NOLA a day after the storm helping folks abandon their homes and packing them onto buses. Many of those people had hardly ever been out of their neighborhoods -- for generations. They were mostly good, decent people in an extraordinarily complex and bewildering situation. They had been completely abandoned by their city government and their state government was ineffectual. The federal government was not set-up to take-over a civil disaster.

It takes several days to get the 82nd Airborne forces into aircraft and into the area where they are needed.

By the weekend following Katrina most of the flood victims had been transported from NOLA.

Now you American taxpayers are paying to rebuild the city -- a city about half of which is at or below sea level. It is on a delta that is itself subsiding while the sea level world-wide rises.

Is that the way you want to spend your money?

Do you think that this disaster will never happen again?

care to guess how many times NOLA has flooded in the past?

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