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Well, it looks like the spoiler wars have started with Bob Barr first out of the gate as a Libertarian candidate. Add to that the Paulette's intents at the Republican Convention and suddenly the Obama - Clinton spat has competition.

Libertarian Barr announces run for president
May 12 01:45 PM US/Eastern

Former US congressman Bob Barr on Monday announced plans to run for president on the Libertarian Party's ticket, in a move some analysts say could hurt Republican presumptive nominee John McCain.

"My name is Bob Barr and I'm a candidate for the presidency of the United States of America," said the former Republican lawmaker, who played a key role in the congressional impeachment of former president Bill Clinton.

Barr said he was running because there was not "currently or anywhere on the horizon" any candidate who understood the principles of fiscal conservatism and basic principles on which he said America was founded.

The former Georgia congressman, who announced his plans at a press conference here, must first win the Libertarian Party's nomination before throwing himself into the 2008 field for real.

The 59-year-old said he was not concerned about the prospect of damaging McCain, possibly among conservative voters whom the Republican candidate has had trouble courting.

"If Senator McCain ... does not succeed in winning the presidency ... it will be because Senator McCain did not present, and his party did not present, a vision, an agenda, a platform and a series of programs that actually resonated positively with the American people."

Barr believes spending by the US government is running out of control and says federal authorities have seized powers not granted by the constitution, and believes US forces should be brought home from Iraq.

The Libertarian Party stands for non-interference by the US government in the personal and business lives of Americans, and advocates lower taxes, a smaller government and more individual freedom.

Independent and third parties have faced a tough task in modern US election history of breaking the dominance of the Democratic and Republican parties, though several candidates have played a spoiler role.

Many Democrats still blame consumer advocate Ralph Nader, who has already announced a 2008 run, for depressing former vice president Al Gore's vote in 2000, and helping George W. Bush to capture the presidency.

Some Republicans also blame businessmen Ross Perot, whose idiosyncratic run in 1992 captured 19 percent of the vote, for helping Bill Clinton unseat the first president George Bush.

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Sounds to me as if we're Raising the Barr...

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Sounds to me as if we're Raising the Barr...
Well, in the sense that he has some good platform issues, yes. If on the other hand we use the logic that damned near anyone can jump in as a spoiler and squirrel the results then I think lower is still the right word.

It would be real nice if we had three, four, five or even six strong viable parties instead of the two entrenched parties that really don't represent the needs or beliefs of a majority of Americans. The key word is VIABLE.

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The Libertarian Party is the most viable third party in the country. Should they abandon their agenda and their hopes because they aren't viable enough?

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Well, in the sense that he has some good platform issues, yes. If on the other hand we use the logic that damned near anyone can jump in as a spoiler and squirrel the results then I think lower is still the right word.

It would be real nice if we had three, four, five or even six strong viable parties instead of the two entrenched parties that really don't represent the needs or beliefs of a majority of Americans. The key word is VIABLE.
In our political system we form our coalitions before elections. What you are suggesting is a system that forms coalitions after elections which you see in some European countries. This is such a drastic change that I doubt one would ever see it here.

Another popular liberal dream is to establish a true "democratic election" by getting rid of the electoral college. These are the same people who devised the proportional delegate allocation and the superdelegate system for the Democrat party and for the entertainment of the rest of us. Ain't gonna happen.

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^ Well, anything would be better than the single political party we have now, claiming two party "diversity" based upon a handful of secondary issues.

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^ Well, anything would be better than the single political party we have now, claiming two party "diversity" based upon a handful of secondary issues.
There you go, opening the door to the communists, again.

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We should have an active socialist party in this country, along with a libertarian party, green party, etc. Our model of democracy may have served us well for a long time, but that time has come and gone. Just look toward Europe or Canada for far better examples of functional democratic republics than ours.

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People are too scared not to vote Democrat.
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