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Though the Crusades lasted for many years, the actual amount of fighting was reasonably small. Of the 174 years of the Crusades, only 24 involved fighting and not all of the 24 years were spent in battle.
But what really separates the two now is a thousands years of development a renaissance and a referendum and civilian up rising and war after war to free us of the yoke of royalty and the grip on state by religion.

Christians have traditionally been fundamentalists, but that as the plausibility of fundamentalist readings of the text has been eroded by the march of reason, “irritated theologians” protest that they no longer take biblical texts literally. Patristic and medieval theology worked with a rich, at times almost uncontrollable diversity of “senses of scripture”. Passages of Scripture gave up their sense only by being read in many different ways. Fundamentalism – in the sense of the privileging of the meaning which a passage, taken out of any context, appears a priori, on the surface, to possess – is, as the Old Testament scholar James Barr demonstrated thirty years ago, a byproduct of modern rationalism: of the privileging of timeless and direct description, of mathematics over metaphor, prose over poetry.
And agreed Bot they all have a history drenched in blood, built by blood and a future that will drown in blood, after all they are all based on a cult of blood sacrifice, what do you expect? .
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The biggest problems we are facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all and thats what I intend to reverse.

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The continuing lesson for me is that people will use religion to their own purposes and usually to no good end. Whenever I read or hear of somebody claiming to know the heart or mind of God I am reminded of the many graveyards such people have filled in the past. By all evidence, they still see graveyards in their future.

You base your judgment on the whole idea of religion on the 'facts' you have already known/learned about the history of Christianity. Not only you but all the people who do the same will most likely arrive at the same conclusion.

I offer you another perspective and tell you to rationally and unbiasedly rethink your stance against religion taking Islam instead of Christianity as a case study (because I think Islam produced exactly opposite results from Christianity). If you don't have the time, the will, the intention, the whatever don't do it. But at least don't collectively judge my believes based on your opinion of a totally different set of believes that produced totally different results through history. I think this is only logical and is not as hard to comprehend as you make it seem.

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Also that Tahloube is breathtakingly ignorant. I do not yet know whether that is an unfortunate product of her environment or through willful ignorance. "She" is an intelligent person and thus for her, ignorance is not a permanent curse unless she wills it so.
Wow. Breathtakingly ignorant. Thanks a bunch. But why's the honour? Because you can't make me submit to your point of view or because I have credible sources to quote as opposed to some of yours or because you haven't been able to shut me up, yet.

You have the whole internet. Use it! I have the whole internet sans the porn, bomb-making and hate-fostering sites which leaves me with the likes of Wikipedia, newspapers, downloadable-books, etc. You might think it's funny to refer to my 'environment' as a cause of ignorance, but I find your willful selection of some of your sources (despite your open, knowledge-encouraging 'environment' ) either naive or deliberately hate-mongering.
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Well, that's because he is a Nazi.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Tahloube, the more I read of your willful, even zealous subservience to a structured existence under Islam, the more I am reminded of a lion at the zoo extolling the virtues of captivity to his ignorant, wild brethren, forced through unfortunate circumstance to remain wild and fend for themselves.

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Well, that's because he's (she's?) a Muslim. I hate to see two people with so much in common have such a falling out.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Pardon me, the best way to end this thread is to get it banned from the UAE. This should do the trick:


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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LOL, you really think that's enough (that was not a dare, btw)?

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Well, here's a picture of Botnst with his landlady at the trailer park he lives in, this should keep them both away.


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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How about a hot, dripping wet beaver?


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Here's one I took at a beaver swamp:


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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