The issue here is that if you disagree with Obama's policy or political agenda you are not racist - but if you discard his policies or political agenda because he didn't wear a lapel pin, you are deluding yourself and trying to hide your racist reactions behind chickenshit.
Obama's wife said that for THE FIRST TIME, SHE WAS PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. Why was she not proud before? Does her statement reflect the views of her husband? Apparently. You would do yourself good to also ask why he doesn't wear the flag lapel pin. That very action coupled with his statements, the statements of his wife and the statements of his 'mentor' should cause anyone to question his real feelings and motives. A man is known by his deeds and it doesn't take long to draw a line between his pastoral mentor and his own beliefs. And you are a blind fool if you don't see it.
Originally Posted by JimSmith
The same with Reverend Wright. If one were to disagree with his sermon, in the context of the whole sermon, be my guest - I have no issue with the motive if it is based on the man's intention and action in context and doubt the Reverend would object to a point by point discussion or debate on his sermon's message. But if one dislikes Reverend Wright because of the sound bites one heard, and are no longer interested in listening to the whole sermons, or his recent speech, it seems one is reacting to being manipulated by emotions, most likely based in dislike for the Reverend's race. It is lazy and easy to give in to racist, emotional reactions. It takes effort to see the perspective of the other side. Refusing to try to see that perspective, when it accomplishes another goal that is by itself openly racist, is a convenient cover if we all let it be.
And, unlike the 'reverend's' sermon, if a white person were filmed making the same outrageous statements as Wright (AIDS and other diseases were created to kill blacks, drugs were invented to kill blacks, etc. and on and on), any person near or around them would be crucified into non-existence.
You amaze me how you accuse those who listen to his rabid rantings as being too emotional. Get with it. Wright IS A RACIST! If you expect me or any other reasonable person to dismiss his surface hatred in order to look for a message that may or may not be there, you are either blind or too wrapped up in Obama to see what's going on.
Originally Posted by JimSmith
Let's be honest. This country is run essentially by white men. Has been since its origin. The issue here is white men sharing power with white women and men and women of other colors. There is no history of Black men enslaving white men in this country. There is no history of Black men intimidating whte men by lynching them or burning their churches down or burning crosses in their front lawns. Or making you sit at the back of the bus. Or being refused service at a restaurant or bar because of your whiteness. And there is no racial profiling of white men by police officers "of color" as you drive around your neighborhood.
You'll be hard pressed to find many who had to sit in the back of the bus, use a water fountain for blacks only, etc. I know of no black person who's been refused service or persecuted into moving because they didn't fit in. You are right, there is no history of blacks enslaving whites in this country. BUT, there are also no incidents of whites enslaving blacks in this country, either. This country is trying to get past it's dismal history but guys like you won't let it happen. Every time there's even a hint of racism or a discussion of such, people like you bring this shit up. There is not ONE black person, living and breathing in this country that has ever been a slave nor knows what it's really like to be one. Find another issue to drum beat, Jim, because this issue IS DEAD!
Originally Posted by JimSmith
So, be specific. What are these grievances you feel so strongly about where being white has been held against you? Did it limit your choice of schools? Did it limit your upward mobility in your profession? In most cases the negative treatment you see is most likely not directed at you, personally. Most anti-white sentiment is made known not in the upper class areas of white neighborhoods - it is made known in the lower class neighborhoods where the races interact more directly and there is competition. In that environment there is much more open disregard for political correctness - racism on both sides is on display, but so is genuine acceptance. Not everyone is unable to see past their neighbor's skin color.
I will maintain that the negative connotations of racial interactions in the US are the result of an unwillingness to compete fairly on the part of whites. From professional sports where teams started as all white, the addition of black players was a big, emotional crisis. The same is true in all other job categories. Why compete fairly when I can just use a little racist emotional fear to my advantage? It is human nature to use whatever it takes to win. That doesn't mean it is a good and noble reaction, just one we should all be able to see, recognize and identify. If our nation does not want to be limited by racist policies, when we recognize these behaviors we have to point them out and try to get over them. Suppressing is not the answer. It leads to eruptions of emotions and bigger crises.
Yes, it is a multi-directional street. But the streets were laid out by white people, to benefit white people. There is no beneficial result from blacks hating whites that accrues to black people. They can't hold whites down, because they are not at the controls. And whites use black reactions to being held back by whites in any and all manifestations of how whites do this, to the advantage of whites. You are trying to make a case that somehow there is some disadvantage to being white in response to black people noting there is a genuine disadvantage to being black. It is a thin, synthetic argument that doesn't hold. There just aren't any whites who would be better off being black that you can point out. Hell, even a basketball player who is white and is competitive has a better chance today, especially in Boston, than a black kid.
I'll hand you many of these points, Jim. I agree with you when you say blacks have a disadvantage. I'm not saying it is right, but, only time can heal these fissures. But, it's going to take whites and blacks working TOGETHER to accomplish equality. You're not going to get it through affirmative action or other programs designed to give blacks an advantage over whites. If you want the real solution to this, you and the persons you idolize and set on an ivory towers need to listen to Bill Cosby. He addresses the real reasons for the troubles many blacks face today and he wants to help them solve those problems. Cosby puts his money behind his beliefs and he goes, largely, ignored, because his point of views are not embraced by the majority. Why? Because he advocates PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY instead of blaming everyone else.
If you're voting for Obama because you 'feel sorry' for the plight of blacks or because you think he has a disadvantage, you're voting for the wrong reasons. Obama has made it clear through his actions and statements what his agenda will be.