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the (few) Shia that I know believe themselves to be the true Muslims and the Sunna believers are the heretics. That is the nature of heresy -- both sides believe themselves to be true to the path -- whatever that path is. Christians have been hacking and stabbing each other for a couple thousand years and they still cannot agree on what a Christian is or is not.
Agree. I claim that we are the Muslims simply because we follow the Islam the way Muhammed and his companions did. We haven't added any sacred text nor consider anybody sacred, especially no sacred imams.

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There's a story that a Muslim (sunni) entered a husseiniya full of shia without taking off his shoes. Shia told him to respect the place and leave his shoes outside. "But Muhammed, peace be upon him, never took off his shoes when he visited a shiite husseiniya ", he said. "How come?", they replied. "There were no shia at the times of the Prophet Muhammed". "That's right", he replied. "There were only Muslims, quite unlike you".

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I hope so. Please note that Muslims have nothing against anybody unless they're attacked. Personally, I never had an issue against shia until the invasion of Iraq unveiled the amount of hatred some of them have against us and how it materialized into crimes against humanity committed against their closest neighbours. I meet people of many ethnic and religious backgrounds and find it interesting. I don't judge people by their beliefs (nor their colour, race, taste in cars , etc.). Muslims believe only Allah judges people and He judges them in the Afterlife. But I always like to defend Islam when it's attacked as an ideology and I would love to see people understand it the pure way it is.

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Most Muslims of whatever sect are like anybody else: They want to live in peace and raise a family. And just like the rest of us there is some knucklehead out there who feels a need to tell other people what to do.

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take a look at the thread topic dickhead ,it's not a thread about fucking chesse is it, and I'm not running anywhere ....I think you've been drinking petrol again haven't you!

Here I realize you need some things spelled out so here goes: On post 34 you posted a sign that said "The end of false religion is near". I asked which false religion you thought would fail first and then you as usual when discussing religion got lost with the ghosts in your attic and tirades and dribble follow.

So can you answer, which false religion will fail first?
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both can go to hell!!

Fuel economy!! whats that??
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Are you Saudi or an expat living in Saudia?
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Here I realize you need some things spelled out so here goes: On post 34 you posted a sign that said "The end of false religion is near". I asked which false religion you thought would fail first and then you as usual when discussing religion got lost with the ghosts in your attic and tirades and dribble follow.

So can you answer, which false religion will fail first?
Here let me help you, they are all false !, but you know that other wise you would still be a christian or at least you would comply with the koran now you have repicked your faith.
All of them will fall, as they have time and time again over mans history. Christianity has already fallen and stands as a quant memory of a time gone by. Europe is in the throws of shaking off the yoke of that bizarre ME bag of babble that has cost more than it ever gave, Ireland being the last card to fall over the ridiculous segregation and killings over a fucking lie. And as we can all see islam is in turmoil fuelled by hate, islam will die as it base is a fairy tail just like christianity and as soon as those people get an education the world will be a better place, and we won't have to put up with half-minded religious fools trying to run this world.
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Here let me help you, they are all false !, but you know that other wise you would still be a christian or at least you would comply with the koran now you have repicked your faith.
All of them will fall, as they have time and time again over mans history. Christianity has already fallen and stands as a quant memory of a time gone by. Europe is in the throws of shaking off the yoke of that bizarre ME bag of babble that has cost more than it ever gave, Ireland being the last card to fall over the ridiculous segregation and killings over a fucking lie. And as we can all see islam is in turmoil fuelled by hate, islam will die as it base is a fairy tail just like christianity and as soon as those people get an education the world will be a better place, and we won't have to put up with half-minded religious fools trying to run this world.

Ok, now we will go back to my first question and by coincidence my last question...............

Which religion will fall FIRST.................
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Ok, now we will go back to my first question and by coincidence my last question...............

Which religion will fall FIRST.................
who cares as long as they fall !
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who cares as long as they fall !

Won't happen in our life time, too many believers but hey, good luck on that, hope it works out for you.................

But hey, if you feel that strongly about it just hop down to one of the London bookmakers that will take any bet and put your money down....................Let the power of the lord tell you how to place your bet................
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Do you mean Israel?


Anyway, the fall of religion seems now farther away than a few decades ago. If you can't notice it affecting the ordinary man in the West (eg people's sudden interest in Kabbalah), you can't miss to notice the likes of George W, Tony Blair and now Sarkozy. In the Arab World, Bush's crusades in Afghanistan and Iraq revived a sense of belonging to Islam. The Danish cartoons and Dutch film and any form of deliberate mockery of Islam, especially from countries always perceived as secular and almost-atheist, played a big role in the area. And of course, Israel the jewish state with all the unstability it caused since it came to existence. I call this reviaval not fall.
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Do you mean Israel?


Anyway, the fall of religion seems now farther away than a few decades ago. If you can't notice it affecting the ordinary man in the West (eg people's sudden interest in Kabbalah), you can't miss to notice the likes of George W, Tony Blair and now Sarkozy. In the Arab World, Bush's crusades in Afghanistan and Iraq revived a sense of belonging to Islam. The Danish cartoons and Dutch film and any form of deliberate mockery of Islam, especially from countries always perceived as secular and almost-atheist, played a big role in the area. And of course, Israel the jewish state with all the unstability it caused since it came to existence. I call this reviaval not fall.
He's referring to Christianity more than any other religion -- Christianity started with you folks, too. To many, many people in Europe & the USA the Christians are no less self-delusional than Jews or Muslims. They all believe some things that are patently at odds with science and experience. For people who must see a thing in order to believe that thing, faith is no different from delusion. Since all are equally delusional, they are all equally an impediment to a complete understanding of life in the universe.

Going back to the Sunna vs Shia, I am in no position to argue the validity of either claimant to Islam. As I said previously, the Shiites I have known were as adamant in their belief that they are the true Muslims as you are of your belief. Not coincidentally, these types of heretical arguments are used by secularists as supporting argument for their view.

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