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Thanks Ed! You may be right. I just don't care enough to research the details. Plus I know from past years that Big Oil makes far less, on a percentage basis, than most other businesses. And that if weren't for their size they might very well be in trouble, like so many other businesses are today.
This is the single least relevant justification for continuing government subsidies of behemoth oil companies anyone has ever uttered.
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Let me remind everyone here that oil companies do not pay taxes--WE DO! The more we try to punish oil companies the more we will pay for their products. They just pass it on to us! Also, a tax on domestic energy production and development means one thing: an increased reliance on foreign oil and gasoline. Eliminating oil industry tax breaks and subsidies would set a bad example overseas and discourage new industry investments.

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^ That was equally delusional and misinformed. Tell me, please, o fiscal wizard; WHY do you think gasoline prices have gone up exponentially in the past 4 years, while oil companies have generated record levels of profit? Secondly, WHY does an industry which experienced a sudden spike resulting in making more in net profit than any other industry - in the history of mankind, ever - need ANY public funds for ANYTHING?

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^ That was equally delusional and misinformed. Tell me, please, o fiscal wizard; WHY do you think gasoline prices have gone up exponentially in the past 4 years, while oil companies have generated record levels of profit? Secondly, WHY does an industry which experienced a sudden spike resulting in making more in net profit than any other industry - in the history of mankind, ever - need ANY public funds for ANYTHING?
I think it's called the basic principle of "Supply and Demand" you idiot!

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Well, that's an interesting theory, because supplies (read:surpluses) are outpacing demand, have been for a year, yet the price keeps going up. If you'd read my other post on the topic, you'd know that.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/off-...-shortage.html

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I do. And I have also tried collecting a legitimate debt from a large corporation and found that their "vigorous defense" often consists of wearing the plaintiff down with years of mind numbing legal masturbation in hopes they will go away.

So I am a bit conflicted on this one as I both respect the rights of the defendant and have watched the defendents use the law as a blunt instrument to avoid responsibility.

EDIT: I was told by their counsel that they had more "Fuck You Money" than I did if that puts it in perspective.

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But this brings us back to our discussion on another thread of the difference between the somewhat objective skepticism and the more subjective cynicism. I am fundamentally more cynical of folks like Exxon based on their motives, means and actions. That cynicism is what drives folks mistrust of Exxon on their offshore drilling policies and it what drives their anger at their manipulation of energy prices.

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But this brings us back to our discussion on another thread of the difference between the somewhat objective skepticism and the more subjective cynicism. I am fundamentally more cynical of folks like Exxon based on their motives, means and actions. That cynicism is what drives folks mistrust of Exxon on their offshore drilling policies and it what drives their anger at their manipulation of energy prices.
I think you accurately characterized the effect of cynicism on objective analysis.

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No worries, Ronald. President Kwansaa (or however they spell it this week) will make it all better lickety-split.

Just because of your disdain, I will be celebrating Kwanza whenever it comes along I will even wear some African attire and pick a flight that you're piloting just so I can fuk with you. Yeah, I will the loud one seat 1A first fkin class, now serve me my coffe biatch...and don't forget my peanuts too

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I suppose. When you get into the "hard sciences" or business classes I think you are at least as likely to find conservative Professors as liberal.

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Geeze bear! You've got to get a grip on reality... Even the numbest among us know better than that. Here's a recent study for you to chew on...

College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds (washingtonpost.com)

"College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says.

By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans. The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative..."
As I was pointing out in my post, I have found that in Business and Economics and Engineering Science that the mix has been pretty even.

I am well aware that in the full aggregate more Professors tend to be Liberal than Conservative. It just makes logical sense. The people who chose Education as a calling tend to be those who are interested in the well being and enrichment of the masses, natural Liberal tendencies. Duh.

As you get into Business/Economics and Engineering you tend to get more technical minded people and the political mix would, logically be less significant to their choice of profession.

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Let me remind everyone here that oil companies do not pay taxes--WE DO! The more we try to punish oil companies the more we will pay for their products. They just pass it on to us! Also, a tax on domestic energy production and development means one thing: an increased reliance on foreign oil and gasoline. Eliminating oil industry tax breaks and subsidies would set a bad example overseas and discourage new industry investments.
So if you eliminated the tax breaks for the American Companies you are suggesting they would raise their prices but then the free market of Foreign based Oil Companies who DON'T get tax breaks would not keep the market in check by maintaining their current price structures?

I think I see little cracks in your cunning logic.

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